Posts by flipper

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The floodgates are about to open in the UK.. Sunday Times article

by defender of truth in

jehovah church faces flood of sex abuse cases.

"a woman who was abused from the age of four by a senior officer of the jehovahs witnesses has lodged a 500,000 claim for compensation in a test case that could open the door to hundreds more suits involving members of the religious organisation in the uk.".

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/crime/article1525363.ece.

flipper

Thanks for posting this thread. Very sad story, horrific. Once again a child molester being re-appointed into a position of oversight. Pretty disgusting. Once again the floodgates and hounds of hell are about to unleash Bad Karma against the WT Society this time in England - possibly hundreds of child abuse cases. Wow. When will this organization ever learn ? It's obvious the WT Society and it's leaders have NOT learned and they stubbornly and arrogantly still refuse to take responsibility for their lax child abuse policies. I don't think they ever WILL admit fault. Too prideful.

At least the Catholic church and the Pope apologized to victims in a public manner. WT leaders ? WT Society quote : " For decades we have published material to help parents and children to be protected from abuse. " Uh-huh. Like the secret letter to the elders on Oct. 1st, 2012 that gives them the authority to re-appoint anybody who may have been an allegedly " repentant " child molester back into positions of Ministerial Servants or elders ? You mean THAT kind of " protection " ? Bunch of idiots running this organization. Sounds like all WT leaders want to do is justify their criminal negligence. I liked the Pope a lot more. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Just woke up

by Doctor Who in

new to the site.

currently i am a ministerial servant and was told i was appointed to be an elder.

i told the brothers i was not ready for that assignment.

flipper

DOCTOR WHO- Congratulations on waking up ! Good for you. Welcome to the forum. We're here as a support to you. I exited the JW cult over 11 years ago and I saw lots of burying of skeletons as well and unethical conduct among elders. One of the big things that woke me up. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

REBEL 8- Exactly. I agree. Sociopath's don't change nor do pedophiles. Very rarely. They never see themselves as being wrong as you stated and they are manipulative knowing how to dupe people with fake charm. Think Ted Bundy. There are a lot of sociopath's and I'd go one step further to say that there are many psychopath's in power position's within the WT organization. Dangerous to have these kind of people controlling 8 million people's fate

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

GAYLE- It may take federal or government pressure to get the WT Society to conform to court orders to hand over documents regarding child abuse in the JW organization. I agree with you- this issue isn't going away, it's not going to stop. I get the feeling that the attorney Irwin Zalkin IS going to keep pursuing this until the WT database files are exposed and opened to court scrutiny. I think he's playing hardball. And that's a good thing. WT Society is a criminal organization and it needs to be exposed

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

LISTENER- O.K. So they have elders who have committed child abuse in the past. Then they should REMOVE them from serving as elders in authority positions where they have access to children or are looked at as an alleged " example " to the flock. And they should remove " higher ups " , i.e. GB members who have molested minors as well.

If they instituted a policy of NEVER appointing any former child molesters as an elder- it would be better. Sure it might make them look bad - but it's better than appointing pedophiles to elder's position's - you think ? Here's an even better idea- if any current elders or ANY JW is guilty of child abuse- elders should be directed to go IMMEDIATELY to police first- no WT legal first. Let Caesar's authorities do their jobs

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

FINKELSTEIN- Yeah, I understand that WT Society can CLAIM that Satan's spirit has left former child molesters, they "repent " allegedly , etc. etc. But I can claim my left nut is a testacle from a reincarnated alien also- doesn't make it so. If anyone has an " evil " spirit within them- it's the GB and WT leaders who irresponsibly appoint men as elders who have committed felony child abuse- a serious crime.

FREEMINDFADE- You are welcome.

DEFENDER of TRUTH- Thanks again for the links.

OUTLAW- Pretty accurate pictures. Thanks for posting. A pedophile playground indeed JW kingdom halls are.

AWAKE AT LAST- I totally agree with everything you say. This IS one of the most important topics happening within the corrupt WT organization right now. The fact that the corruption is continuing unabated within the JW cult is indefensible on the part of the Governing Body. And it's unforgiveable that the GB will NOT release information to the courts requesting child abuse policies in written form or release the child molester database file to courts. It smacks of GUILT because WT Society DOES have enormous crimes to hide. They'd rather pay out millions $$$ in child abuse lawsuits than risk exposing themselves to deeper or further criminal prosecution. The more we expose these crimes- perhaps some of the lurking elders here will effect change and make noise about it to the rank & file JW's.

STUCKINARUT2- Exactly. Holy spirit has ALWAYS been asleep. It has never existed.

STILL TOTALLY ADD- I agree with you. The Governing Body IS aiding and abetting child rape and torture by their policies of neglecting to protect JW children. Especially when former child molesters are appointed as elders again ! it's just beyond belief. But you can't make this stuff up. It really happens. You are correct- WT leaders will do whatever is necessary to keep the WT organization going - even sacrificing children as molestation victims trying to pay their way out of guilt for allowing it. But WT leaders are so calloused- I truly believe they are sociopaths and psychopaths who feel NO guilt or remorse. They know exactly what they are doing in regards to child abuse happening in their midst. Survival as an organization is more important than justice being done for abused children

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

DEFENDER OF TRUTH- Thanks so much for providing the link to the October 1st, 2012 WT letter to the elders about child abuse policies . I appreciate it !

FREEMINDFADE- Check the link out ! Thanks again Defender of Faith

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

TOESUP- I agree with you. This child abuse irresponsibility of the WT Society IS starting to finally make more news and media time- and the more JW's or non-JW's who see it, hear it, and read about it- all the better. The fact that Stephen Lett said absolutely nothing about the lives that have negatively been affected and JW child victims of child abuse- testifies to the fact that in the WT leaders eyes- the bottom line of importance is the $$$$ money they'll lose in financial lawsuits - not the safety of JW children. It's disgusting.

BLUES BROTHER- Good points you make. Indeed since the GB or WT Society tells rank & file JW's that elders are allegedly appointed by " holy spirit " - then rank & file JW's are expected to TRUST these elders as you said - even if an elder holds a young child or puts them on their knee. This lowers the DEFENSES of unsuspecting JW parents so that the thought of NOT trusting elders never even comes into their minds ! It's a form of mind control that the WT Society has masterfully instilled into most each and every JW's mind and then the result is TOO much trusting of elders to the point of overlooking their wrongs- because they aren't supposed to be considered untrustworthy. It's pretty twisted but it's how the WT Society indoctrinates these people and conditions their minds. Very dangerous

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

HEY THERE- This $hit pisses me off too- one reason I occasionally post threads like this. To wake people up and give access to needed information. Hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

FREEMINDFADE- The poster named Atlantis has tons of links to confidential letters from the WT Society to the elders so perhaps you could PM him and he'd send you the link to the October 1st, 2012 WT Society letter to the elders . Hope that helps. Tell your brother you can show him proof otherwise. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper