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What's a word that describes the way Witnesses behave as a group?

by paul from cleveland in

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i can't recall the word that describes a group that keeps to itself like the witnesses do.

i thought it was "insular" but i don't think that's the one i'm looking for after reading the definition.

i remember an elder using the word "clannish" and that has the proper definition but it reminds me of a group of elves.

flipper

Here's another one that I use all the time. " Criminal. " I know it's not positive - but what the hell- it's honest

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What's a word that describes the way Witnesses behave as a group?

by paul from cleveland in

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friends

i can't recall the word that describes a group that keeps to itself like the witnesses do.

i thought it was "insular" but i don't think that's the one i'm looking for after reading the definition.

i remember an elder using the word "clannish" and that has the proper definition but it reminds me of a group of elves.

Paul you stated, " I'm looking for a neutral word that doesn't necessarily connote negativity " . Good luck on that then. Most words that describe what JW's and the WT Society are about - denote negativity. My thoughts like Beth Sarim " CONTROLLED ". "Controlled " would be the positive spin word for " enslaved " - if you're looking for a silver lining of positivity

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Had a wonderful visit with Mr and Mrs Flipper Sat.

by 3rdgen in

i haven't posted much lately because i got a new job at the end of nov. and it's taken much of my time and mental energy.

i still read though and care for you all very much so i thought i should let you know about the meet-up i had yesterday with mr and mrs flipper.. hubby got a call the day before from flipper saying he and his wife were going to visit his mother (who is in a rest home in my town) and would we like to meet up for coffee?

hubby couldn't make it but i was delighted to accept.. we picked a burger place not far from the rest home and where i knew jdubs don't usually hang out on saturdays.

flipper

Hey 3RDGEN- Just got back from working last night and my wife told me you posted this thread. Thanks for posting the thread, really enjoyed your takes. We really had a nice time visiting with you also. You and your husband are dear friends to us for sure. What a very kind thing to do for my mother in visiting her with us . We enjoyed having you visit and enjoyed our Starbucks visit as well with you ! Sorry your hubby couldn't make it- perhaps next time as you mentioned we could spend the night and visit with him more too ! It would be great to get some others together as well for pizza or something . Sounds fun !

It really is true though- those of us who have been through the fire of unjust treatment inside the JW cult - do develop a deeper sense of empathy and appreciation of freedom once we get out and a deeper understanding and empathy towards others who have been mistreated as well . Say " hi " to hubby for us and give him a hug from both of us. O.K. ? We look forward to our next visit with you - hopefully in a couple months ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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What's a word that describes the way Witnesses behave as a group?

by paul from cleveland in

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friends

i can't recall the word that describes a group that keeps to itself like the witnesses do.

i thought it was "insular" but i don't think that's the one i'm looking for after reading the definition.

i remember an elder using the word "clannish" and that has the proper definition but it reminds me of a group of elves.

flipper

Cultlike.

That was my first impression when I first experienced the shenanigans of Flipper's family - my first encounter with JWs other than at the front door. Same feeling being in a kingdom hall.

They struck me as very similar to Scientologists, Est, Moonies and Multi Level Marketing groups. Fake-happy, nodding heads, weird mannerisms.

Now, ten years later, I really feel that "cultlike" is an accurate description. From an "outsider" perspective it's a mild word considering how damaging and dishonest the religion is.

Mrs. Flipper

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“Show me it came from the top down!”

by cha ching in

that’s what the boston globe asked about the catholic church abuse policies… should the same be asked about jw abuse policies?.

reveal news has a great audio today!.

https://www.revealnews.org/.

flipper

Thanks for posting this, cha ching. Trey Bundy is doing a great job. His articles at reveal news are a must read.

Mrs. F

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Had a wonderful visit with Mr and Mrs Flipper Sat.

by 3rdgen in

i haven't posted much lately because i got a new job at the end of nov. and it's taken much of my time and mental energy.

i still read though and care for you all very much so i thought i should let you know about the meet-up i had yesterday with mr and mrs flipper.. hubby got a call the day before from flipper saying he and his wife were going to visit his mother (who is in a rest home in my town) and would we like to meet up for coffee?

hubby couldn't make it but i was delighted to accept.. we picked a burger place not far from the rest home and where i knew jdubs don't usually hang out on saturdays.

flipper

Hi, 3rdgen! And everyone here, too.

It was really fun to see you, as usual! We are so happy that you went with us to meet Flip's mom. She felt really good that you would come to see her, she liked you, and said that she does get lonely. You are the best. I wish we lived closer.

How'd you like when the first thing Flip's dad said was "she's getting worse." She was probably sleeping in her chair to avoid being spoken to like a child. Pop left around 3:30.

We stayed until 5:30 and Flip played her a bunch of songs, she loved it. She has still got her sharp wit, we talked about all kinds of things. Her short term memory ain't so great but then neither is mine.

Went for Jamaican food with Flip Jr, had a great time. The ride home is so hard, though. Next time we may stay in a motel near the nursing home, then visit her again in the morning and drive home in daylight.

So we would be free to meet up in the evening, maybe go get pizza and hang out. And round up anyone here who wants to join us. That would be a good time for sure.

Thank you so much, 3rdgen.

Mrs. Flipper

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Did you get " Counseled " about the Music you Listened to While you were a JW ?

by flipper in

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from the time i was a small boy - i loved rock n' roll music.

beatles, rolling stones, led zeppelin, hendrix.

i started getting slighted for the music i listened to as i lay in my bedroom listening on headphones to led zeppelin's song " black dog " at age 14 with my elder dad looking suspiciously at me as i'm rocking out .

flipper

JUST HUMAN 14- I agree with you indeed. Keep on rockin' in the free world for sure ! For those about to rock we DO salute you ! No matter WHAT the elders say ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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We may have interbred with Neanderthals earlier than previously thought.

by cappytan in

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it is now thought that we have been interbreeding with neanderthals as early as 100,000 years ago.. http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-35595661.

craziest thing i just realized: some women still breed with neanderthals up to this day.

rihanna and chris brown anyone?.

flipper

When a person gets their DNA tested by genetic testing websites and companies like 23 & Me the results provided aren't only what nationality your DNA tested as - but what percentage Neanderthal you are. They can tell that from testing your DNA too.

I took the " 23 & Me " DNA test and found lots of English, Scottish, Irish blood, some French & German AND I'm 3.1 % Neanderthal. The typical average for most humans is about 2.5 % . It stated that the fact that I'm 3.1 Neanderthal puts me at 98 % more Neanderthal than the rest of the human race. Pretty weird. Probably explains why I like to smell things a lot and why I'm forever chasing Bigfoot trying to find some lost relatives or something. LOL. Peace out. Mr. Flipper

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Did you get " Counseled " about the Music you Listened to While you were a JW ?

by flipper in

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from the time i was a small boy - i loved rock n' roll music.

beatles, rolling stones, led zeppelin, hendrix.

i started getting slighted for the music i listened to as i lay in my bedroom listening on headphones to led zeppelin's song " black dog " at age 14 with my elder dad looking suspiciously at me as i'm rocking out .

flipper

Wanted to catch page 4 up before I go out of town to work for a couple days. Thanks again for any comments !

VIDIOT- Yeah I was there as well in the 1980's when the GB put out these articles getting all panicked about alleged " demonic " messages in music. JW's were so paranoid back then, burning albums etc. WE have to blame WT leaders for that definitely.

STEPHANE LALIBERTE- Indeed I saw a lot of hypocrisy in elders condemning OUR music when they acted a little strange as well. I was driving with an elder to go play baseball or tennis- I forget which in 1990 - and this elder in my passenger seat starts singing " I'm too sexy for my body, I'm too sexy for my body ! " I look at him like he's lost his mind and I think to myself - " and these are our " spiritual shepherds " ? Too weird.

BETH SARIM- " Demons ? Blah, blah, blah " Exactly my sentiments. Elders were so nitpicky.

TALESIN- Don't get me wrong- I think KISS was very entertaining - but personally not too talented musically I believe. But everybody is entitled to their opinions. LOL.

IOWNMYLIFE- I agree if anything had " demonic " content it was Kingdom songs. They were just horrible - bad music !

GREENHORNET- Good points you make. Music is kept on such small items now- teenagers can hide it anywhere. We weren't so lucky as teenagers. Oh my how times have changed ! I feel like such an old fart nowadays ! LOL.

SPECTRE- Good point you make- a person can make an acronym out of anything they want to use. My good buddy who is a bass player- his favorite group is Rush. They are so good performing live I've seen them on DVD. Very talented group !

TORNINTWO- Sorry to hear that your daughter was judged so harshly. That's what JW's and elders do- judge harshly. Nice to be away from all that judgmentalism now.

NATHAN NATAS- Yeah I've heard rumors of Gene Simmons " family jewels " like how he's spread them around far and wide. Good for him. Hope he had fun and doesn't have any debilitating diseases. LOL.

ONE FINGER SALUTE- Yeah, the double standards among JW's are incredible. One reason I don't ever play guitar or perform in front of JW's. I can do without the judgmental crap. I enjoy playing for people who enjoy music not judgmentally. Take care keep playing music bud

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Did you get " Counseled " about the Music you Listened to While you were a JW ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

from the time i was a small boy - i loved rock n' roll music.

beatles, rolling stones, led zeppelin, hendrix.

i started getting slighted for the music i listened to as i lay in my bedroom listening on headphones to led zeppelin's song " black dog " at age 14 with my elder dad looking suspiciously at me as i'm rocking out .

flipper

Great comments everyone ! Thanks . Finally off of work so I can finish up page 3 and 4 replies.

KAIK- So you got badgered for listening to your music also ? Seems to be a scenario that happened to a lot of us.

CRAZY_FLICKERING_LIGHT- So Bethel made lots of rules about what music you listened to ? Glad I never went to Bethel- they'd have kicked me out the first month ! LOL.

AFRIKANMAN- Glad to hear that you are into playing music and performing. Me too. I really enjoy it. Music is definitely a healer.

APROCLAIMER- Yeah, whether it's rock, rap, or alternative it just seems that anything that's not classified " kingdom melodies " seems to be off limits in the GB's mind. The control that WT leaders wield over JW's is pathetic.

TIKI- Yes indeed - I was really shocked when that " brother " got wigged out about the Moody blues. I mean they are a pretty mellow group as far as rock groups go - and pretty ignorant of him to say " Knights " in White Satin instead of " nights " in White Satin . Some people just have a screw loose I swear.

DONE4GOOD- Great groups you are into Doors, Beatles ,Zeppelin , Hendrix love those artists ! Don't feel too bad- I initially got rid of my Zeppelin albums when the information came out in 1982- but like you I also re-purchased all the Zeppelin albums back once I saw the WT's counsel was a load of crap. So we are the winners in the end. WT leaders cannot take everything away from us- especially our music !

TOES UP- Your mom hated the song " Lay Down Sally " ? What did she think Sally was doing ? What if Sally was just sleeping ? Doesn't Sally have a right to sleep ? LOL.

BRANDNEW- Glad to hear that your parents were hippies and into cool music. I'm an ex-JW hippy type myself. Livin' life in the Northern Sierra mountains and lovin ' life !

DJS- Man you've got that right ! GB and WT leaders are Dark lords if I've ever seen them.

MARK OF CANE- I did see a lot of elders try to push or influence people to get rid of their music- including myself. I did get rid of some Zeppelin but bought all of their music back once I saw the lunacy of the WT Society's counsel. I swear the elders would try to control when we would pee or shit if we gave them a chance. Just ridiculous. I'm sorry that you were coerced to burn your albums- hopefully you bought them all back.

IOWNMYLIFE- A JW wouldn't even say the word " cigarette " when he sang that Roger Miller song ? Now THAT is pretty fanatic. Sounds like you and your husband were harassed about your music as well. It's amazing how many of us experienced that treatment.

NIHILISTIC JOURNEY- So your dad's elder friend would listen to a Rasta sing who smoked weed- but got on your case for listening to REM's " Losing your Religion " ? Yeah, sounds about like the way I saw hypocritical actions of elders go when I was a JW. By the way- I'm glad to see that you DID lose your religion ! LOL.

NATHAN NATAS- Don't be too hard on yourself - we were all cult mind controlled " idiots " at one time. Blame WT leaders - not yourself.

HEAVEN- So your dad threw your brother's Ozzy Osbourne album onto the ground ? That's pretty aggressive ! It's amazing how wound up tight elders and JW parents were about our music.

UNDERCOVER- I was a teenager when you were I the 1970's as well and I remember lots of talks against the alleged " worldly " music. All the groups you mentioned I was really into and still am to this day. I was a rebel WITH a cause so I could keep my INDEPENDENT thinking going.

JRK- You and me both my friend- we are both rebels. I always have been- I always will be.

FREEMINDFADE- I remember talking with you about some of the music you played and how both of our families harassed us for our musical interests. It's just great to know that we have freedom of mind to pursue what the hell we want musically without having to answer to our cultish family members anymore.

DESIGNER STUBBLE- Sounds like you had some nosy JW's come to your house checking out your music. It's amazing how intrusive and nosy JW's will get. They do not recognize personal boundaries for sure

I'll be back later and answer page 4 responses . Thanks again ! Take care.