Posts by journey-on

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Under What Circumstances Might a JW View One As An "Apostate"?

by minimus in

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friends

i got a pm asking this question.

how would a jws radar go up if you were leaning toward questioning things or even showing information from the society's own publications that was damning toward them?

journey-on

I have found the mere mention of the date, 1975, makes my sister look daggers at me.

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The Prodigal Child

by Lady Lee in

i was just reading something posted a couple of years ago and it got me thinking.

family love.. in the post vivamus discussed how after she made the decision to leave the witnesses she went to a birthday party for her uncle.

when she walked into the room everyone just dropped thjaws in surprise.

In the parable, I'm struck by how the father saw him from afar and ran out to him. He met him more than half-way with kisses and immense joy. He didn't wait for the son to arrive and beg and grovel at his feet. The father went out to him with loving tenderness and exuberance.

Jehovah's Witnesses are pathetic in their interpretation of scriptural principles. They are the most arrogant Pharasaic group of people you could ever run across. They lack real loving kindness and have no concept whatsoever of real grace and mercy. They make me sick.

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What Do You Think of This Little Girl?

by journey-on in

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friends

this is amazing!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqnrgoso948.

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journey-on

Guest

That was sweet. Children are amazing to me. You never know what's going through their little minds and how things can effect them. I found it a bit disturbing that this child was exposed to so much television at such a tender age. As an infant, he was allowed to become mesmerized by television and I can't help but feel a bit uneasy about that. It brought to mind the incident a few years ago where Japanese children began to experience seizures while watching some cartoon on Japanese television.

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JW Gets 37 years in prison after violating probation

by kwr in

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbblackledge0824nbaug24,0,7357675,print.story.

when glenn blackledge violated his probation on super bowl sunday, he ran out of second chances.. .

police found him slumped over the wheel of his still-running truck in a coral springs parking lot, reeking of alcohol.. ---snip---.

journey-on

Rosalee.......Start a topic. I have noticed you have lots of posts but have never started a topic of your own. I would love to see what you would like to discuss. I think your caustic way of discussion is really quite endearing now that I've gotten used to you (to some extent).

Sorry for interrupting this thread with the above request.

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JW Gets 37 years in prison after violating probation

by kwr in

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbblackledge0824nbaug24,0,7357675,print.story.

when glenn blackledge violated his probation on super bowl sunday, he ran out of second chances.. .

police found him slumped over the wheel of his still-running truck in a coral springs parking lot, reeking of alcohol.. ---snip---.

journey-on

Rosalee...no offense, but you sound SO much like my fanatical JW sister. No real understanding, compassion, and love. It's all so sterile and phoney. And I'm saying this without trying to put you down in any way. You and she just don't have the kind of love Jesus had, but rather it's one that's made up of rules and regulations that trump anything else. She says the same thing..."he could have come back to Jehovah at any time." But sometimes one has sunk so far into despair and depression, that it can't be done on your own.

Whether he was repentant or not, in the heat of a JC hearing, a 17-year old can display lots of emotions from anger to humiliation to offense at the personal questions. Whatever happened, repentent or not, HE WAS SEVENTEEN for Christ's sake! Reach out with LOVE and surround him with the safety net of friends and family. Don't throw him to the wolves to be devoured! If he was 30 or 40 yrs. old, I might agree. It's just wrong all the way around.

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JW Gets 37 years in prison after violating probation

by kwr in

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbblackledge0824nbaug24,0,7357675,print.story.

when glenn blackledge violated his probation on super bowl sunday, he ran out of second chances.. .

police found him slumped over the wheel of his still-running truck in a coral springs parking lot, reeking of alcohol.. ---snip---.

journey-on

Yes, Rosalee. It is close to me. This event is one of the main reasons I refused to raise my children in this cult.

Growing up as a JW though, he knew the consequences.

This is true. But NO MAN IS AN ISLAND. People need other people when they are going through something traumatic. He needed assistance and encouragement, not shunning.

it IS scriptural

I don't believe it is. I have read the scriptures over and over that JWs use to validate this practice. Taken with the rest of the Bible and in context with the rest of those chapters, I could never interpret them that way.

Let's truly take responsibility

I agree. We should all take responsiblity for ourselves. However, a 17-year old, although old enough to know better, lacks experience and self-control and needs the support and encouragement from others or he can so very easily slip through the cracks.

You're right. He may have turned out to be an alcoholic anyway. But why make it easy by jerking the safety net of family and friends out from under him. IMO it's about REAL LOVE and compassion.

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JW Gets 37 years in prison after violating probation

by kwr in

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbblackledge0824nbaug24,0,7357675,print.story.

when glenn blackledge violated his probation on super bowl sunday, he ran out of second chances.. .

police found him slumped over the wheel of his still-running truck in a coral springs parking lot, reeking of alcohol.. ---snip---.

journey-on

Rosalee, I'm glad you weighed in on this.

People, cut Rosalee some slack (lol)! I think she comes here because she's STARVING for some INTELLECTUAL banter. Lord knows she can't get it with her WTS cronies and we always fall into her trap. She gets entertained for a little while, and her brain gets a little boost, and then she can go back to the mind-numbing endeavors of the WTS all refreshed and rejuvenated from her short visits here.

I can speak to this topic personally. My brother, at the young age of 17 had sexual relations with his girlfriend. Both were baptised witnesses. He was disfellowshipped. A highly intelligent honor student, his disfellowshipping sent him into a down spin he never recovered from. At that young age, what he needed was his friends and family to surround him with a safety net and encourage and support his effort to get back on track. But, instead, what he got was shunning. Being raised a witness, he was socially inept at making friends outside the borg. He graduated with honors, but my JW father didn't even attend his graduation! The pain and humiliation he suffered scarred him to the bone. He struggled to get on some kind of footing, but succumbed to his lonliness and rejection. I cry to this very day because I watched him sink deeper and deeper into alcoholism as his long-time friends abandoned him at a time in his life when he was most vulnerable and needed their help.

It's right. We are all responsible for the choices we make. But the cult known as Jehovah's Witnesses perpetrates the most heinous acts with its practice of shunning. Disfellowship wrongdoers....okay. Take away their right to be called a JW, but don't tell their long-time friends and family to treat them like they are invisible. Don't jerk their LIFE our from under them at such a tender age. This does contribute to a young person's tailspin into the hell of dissipation.

If I knew how, I would hold the entire evil empire of the WTB&TS liable for crimes against humanity. They are despicable and the epitomy of what evil is. What makes it so utterly satanic is they do it in the name of God! Talk about wolves in sheep's clothing! You have to be a total idiot not to SEE this.

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What Do You Think of This Little Girl?

by journey-on in

jw
friends

this is amazing!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqnrgoso948.

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journey-on

This is amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqNRGoSo948

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WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT GOD BLINDLY

by journey-on in

i can't remember where i read this, but it struck a chord with me a while back and i saved it.

as we struggle individually with our belief in god, the story of jacob wrestling with the man or angel sheds an interesting light on the subject:.

"the fact that jacob wrestled with the man all night with neither gaining an advantage over the other suggests that the man was his equal in size, strength, and endurance.

journey-on

JT

the first glimpse of eternally pure consciousness was seen. The very same awareness looking out these eyes was watching the whole thing with totally unconditional nonjudgment and untouched perfection

I think perhaps you found the Divine Presence in that experience.

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WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT GOD BLINDLY

by journey-on in

i can't remember where i read this, but it struck a chord with me a while back and i saved it.

as we struggle individually with our belief in god, the story of jacob wrestling with the man or angel sheds an interesting light on the subject:.

"the fact that jacob wrestled with the man all night with neither gaining an advantage over the other suggests that the man was his equal in size, strength, and endurance.

journey-on

I can't remember where I read this, but it struck a chord with me a while back and I saved it. As we struggle individually with our belief in God, the story of Jacob wrestling with the man or angel sheds an interesting light on the subject:

"The fact that Jacob wrestled with the man all night with neither gaining an advantage over the other suggests that the man was his equal in size, strength, and endurance. When the book says, "And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh," it is at first unclear which man is speaking, Jacob or the stranger. As Igloowhite pointed out, the passage says nothing about the man being an angel until he renames Jacob Israel. Many biblical commentators have taken this to mean that Jacob was wrestling (metaphorically, perhaps) with himself and his own ideas about G-d.

This is significant (to me, at least) because the Jews are known as b'nai yisrael, or the Children of Israel, the man who struggled with G-d. They are not the Children of Abraham, who had everything figured out and believed in G-d to the point where he would sacrifice his own son for Him. They are the children of the man who wrestled with his internal misgivings all night and did not even conquer them, but walked away wounded. What I take from that is that we are not supposed to accept G-d blindly, but instead to argue and struggle with Him and with ourselves, perhaps for all of our lives, even if we do not get a clear answer."