Posts by knockknock

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Introduction

by dontplaceliterature in

before i begin my introductory post, i would like to mention that a number of my initial comments here may be viewed by several of you as watchtower apologist or as sympathetic to the views of the jehovahs witnesses.

the last thing i want to do is incite a flame war regarding my legitimacy or intentions in joining this forum.

mostly, i would describe myself as on the fence.

knockknock

Welcome to the board Dont place Literature. I joined this group a long while ago and have only recently returned. I enjoyed reading your message. Thank you for letting us know a little about you and how you feel. I want you to know that I love the congregation and often pray for them ( sometimes tearfully) You see, I was born and raised in the Watchtower teachings but after intense study of the scriptures, I found much to be concerned about. For example: the question as to whom are Christ's brothers and sisters,...yes sisters. Matthew 12:50..says, "Anyone who does the will of my father, the same, is my brother, sister or mother."

My opinion is that this scripture contradicts what the JW elders are teaching the congregation. Christ says, "ANYONE who does the will of his Father are his brothers, ( sisters) Ok then, who in the JW Org are doing God's will? Only a few men in Brooklyn then? Not the 'JW great crowd or other JW sheep class?

As for 'finding 'The Truth'. No religion can be called, "The Truth". Why? Because Christ said he is "The Truth". John 14:6.

Also Christ said," ( John 10:9) "I am the Door; by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved." The elders told me I could never be one of Christ brothers because the 'heavenly door was closed in the year 1935." And the Watchtower taught for decades that this door was shut??????

I ask,then, how can that be so when Christ said he is 'The Door', and that if ANY man enter in, he shall be saved.'

The more I studied the scriptures, the more I questioned the teachings of the Watchtower.

Christ said, "Come to me" ( John 5:39-41) You search the scripture because you think that in them you have eternal life; and these are thy which bear witness of me; and you will not come to me that you may have Life."

(Matt 11:28-30) "COME TO ME, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and LEARN FROM ME, for I am humble in heart and you will find rest for your souls for my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

I tell you my brother, I had to leave much (not all ) that I'd learned from the Watchtower and finally began to 'listen closely to Christ instead.' And yes, what he said is true, his yoke is so much lighter! I recommend everyone to do the same.

After all, it is our heavenly Father's command that we must 'LISTEN to his Son'. (Luke 9:35)

Oh, and this scripture really pulled me toward him: ( John 1:12 ) "But as many as recieved him ( Christ ) to them he gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe on his name." ( Gal 3:26)(1 John 5:1)

( Deut. 32:6) "Is this the way you repay the LORD ( Yah ) you foolish and unwise people? Is he not Your FATHER, your Creator who made you and formed you?"If Jehovah is our heavenly Father, then aren't we sons and daughters? The Watchtower teaches, as you are aware, that only 144,000 are son's of God. (Ps 82 )I could add more scriptures that have made me question the teachings of the Watchtower, these are just a few. Ps 40:4 ) (Ps 146:3) I don't see enough support for the trinity doctrine in the scriptures so I do agree with the Watchtower on this issue. But I find there are too many errors taught at the Kingdom Halls, and this have cause me to separate myself from them.I partake of the emblems now and have done so for over a decade. (John 6:54 ) And I do this out of obedience.

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WT September 15, 2010 - The Faithful and NOT SO Discrete Slave

by Designer Stubble in

the wt of september 15, 2010 (kool-aid version) has two articles on unity.

one is titled: unity identifies true worship and the other christian unity glorifies god.

of course it is more uniformity, not true unity.

knockknock

Whom did Christ die for?

"Romans 5:6
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly."

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WT September 15, 2010 - The Faithful and NOT SO Discrete Slave

by Designer Stubble in

the wt of september 15, 2010 (kool-aid version) has two articles on unity.

one is titled: unity identifies true worship and the other christian unity glorifies god.

of course it is more uniformity, not true unity.

knockknock

Ephesians 5:11 (New American Standard Bible)

11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them"

And Bane, that is what we are commaned to do.

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WT September 15, 2010 - The Faithful and NOT SO Discrete Slave

by Designer Stubble in

the wt of september 15, 2010 (kool-aid version) has two articles on unity.

one is titled: unity identifies true worship and the other christian unity glorifies god.

of course it is more uniformity, not true unity.

knockknock

Where is the proof Christ has returned and appointed them ( the so called' Gov. body') over all his domestics?

There is none! Satan is not obyssed, evil men still advance getting worse, no one has been resurrected...IT is NOT the Day of The LORD yet! The Gentile times have not ended...they still rule. The JW's are dwelling is wishful thinking,, fairytales. etc.

As Apostle Paul put it,

1 Corinthians 4:8
Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you."

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attended a jw memorial talk yesterday

by man in black in

after being da'd for two years, i felt it was my duty to attend the memorial talk for an elderly brother who i greatly respected over the years.. i was quite nervous going back to the kh and seeing everyone.. well, my wife and i walked in, and most of the elders we saw just looked away, or acted like we were invisible.

several of our old friends winked, smiled, or waved secretly.

the hall was full, and this elder named jeff renfroe placed us in the 2nd row from the front.

knockknock

Man In Black,

you were brave going back to the kingdom Hall, knowing how you'd be treated. Bravo! I know a person who actually came to the Hall to partake of the emblems because they were'nt going to leave the Org. without partaking there first. The elders acted like they were about to jump out of their chairs to grab the emblems from this person...and after the memorial, the elders avoided him like a plague and no one came to talk to him afterward. They wouldn't even look at him.

Ignored. At that time, anyone partaking of the emblems from the outside, are judged as imposters and apostates. Sad, it is so evident they don't know "The Truth" John 14:6.

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attended a jw memorial talk yesterday

by man in black in

after being da'd for two years, i felt it was my duty to attend the memorial talk for an elderly brother who i greatly respected over the years.. i was quite nervous going back to the kh and seeing everyone.. well, my wife and i walked in, and most of the elders we saw just looked away, or acted like we were invisible.

several of our old friends winked, smiled, or waved secretly.

the hall was full, and this elder named jeff renfroe placed us in the 2nd row from the front.

knockknock

Yes, I feel bad for those who are trapped in there. I believe that when Christ returns, all captives will be set free! And the Harlot will be exposed for what she really is. The pressure is getting worse for the JW's. Read the September 15, 2010 Watchtower lesson. It shows the double speak of the Watchtower.

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KH closes without any sign or notice- why?

by moshe in

jw
friends

i was in my old city in 2009 before i moved away i noticed a kh that i had helped build back in the early 70s was closed, with no sign or notice anywhere.

i looked in the windows and saw some discarded papers , folding chairs & light fixtures laying around.

i was surprised that they didn't have a sign like, we have moved to a new kh on 1313 mockingbird lane, call elder kumquat for directions and meeting times, etc.

knockknock

Psalm 15:1-5

Ezekiel 22:12

Ezekiel 18:13 (King James Version)

13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him."

God calls it an abomination.

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KH closes without any sign or notice- why?

by moshe in

jw
friends

i was in my old city in 2009 before i moved away i noticed a kh that i had helped build back in the early 70s was closed, with no sign or notice anywhere.

i looked in the windows and saw some discarded papers , folding chairs & light fixtures laying around.

i was surprised that they didn't have a sign like, we have moved to a new kh on 1313 mockingbird lane, call elder kumquat for directions and meeting times, etc.

knockknock

It is unfair for a religious organization to rob it's members of their Kingdom Hall buildings as well the land it sits upon. Some congregations actually are fighting legal battles in order to keep the Watchtower Org. from robbing theirs. Brothers and sisters donate their time and money to build it, maintain it, while Paying Interest on the loan ( which by the way was given to them free of cost by the very members borrowing the money). What does the Bible say about charging fellow Christians USERY?

It say those doing so are Wicked.

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KH closes without any sign or notice- why?

by moshe in

jw
friends

i was in my old city in 2009 before i moved away i noticed a kh that i had helped build back in the early 70s was closed, with no sign or notice anywhere.

i looked in the windows and saw some discarded papers , folding chairs & light fixtures laying around.

i was surprised that they didn't have a sign like, we have moved to a new kh on 1313 mockingbird lane, call elder kumquat for directions and meeting times, etc.

knockknock

The Kingdom Hall members now have to travel farther to attend the meetings elsewhere. It makes it harder to the elderly, I'm sure, and I hear the Kingdom Halls now have cameras installed in it's building and outside as well microphones to spy out who is defective and who is still loyal to the Headquarters.

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Don't Ignore Us!

by peacefulpete in

when i first left the jw's some years ago, one of the most incredible observations i made was just how irrelevant the wt and jw's were to the larger public.

when the conversation turned to my history (as it often did, because i desperately wanted to discuss it) the most comon reaction was of complete unawareness of the jw's, much less their doctrine, or complete surprise that i regarded them as destructive.

to the later, the jw's were understood to be just another church like any other, a little weird perhaps but just one of the many churches in town.

knockknock

Yes, and the JW Org is getting an even tighter grip on it's members causing much stress. They spy on one another...always suspicious. I felt the pressure while a member but I hear it is so much worse now then it was a decade ago. I am so glad I've escaped their grip and now I finally belong to Christ and not a controlling man-made religion.