Posts by humbled

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My Muslim friend's and the Koran.

by new hope and happiness in

in another thread i raised the point " there are moderate muslims but their is no moderate islam".

now i must face the fact i have muslim friends who say they believe the koran.. well i have asked these muslim friends, if they have investigated the origins of the koran.

they have answerd " yes".

humbled

LUHE,

I can see why you would steer clear of sensitive issues. Having my views crammed up my arse might be a prime conversation topper in your world but not mine. There are ways to talk --even if indirectly-- about freedom. And we should if we send the young to die for it--what do we do at home?

You love freedom. So do I.

By the way, I am a 62 year old she.

Maeve

PS. Clue me--Attack you as a person? I disagree with your advice. Is that the same as trashing your comment? Apology if you felt contempt . This is a discussion forum, no?

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My Muslim friend's and the Koran.

by new hope and happiness in

in another thread i raised the point " there are moderate muslims but their is no moderate islam".

now i must face the fact i have muslim friends who say they believe the koran.. well i have asked these muslim friends, if they have investigated the origins of the koran.

they have answerd " yes".

humbled

Be very, very careful Your moderate muslim friends might tell one of their more 'zealous' friends all about their chats with you.

If I were you, I'd forget all about it and just smile, nod politely. and change the subject.

Your health and life are worth more than any muslim's belief.--LUHE

Didn't we hate this about the Borg---the fear of reasonable discussion with friends? The mistrust that governs repressive religion requires a measure of our own complicity, doesn't it?

How can anyone on the board who is terrified of Islam simply smile, nod politely and change the subject? And if it turns out to be the preferred way to deal with our dread of living under a caliphate, how is it that born-in muslims are condemned for not complaining of ISIS militants or sharia law?

Of all people, the ex-dubs can share our cautionary tale of the insidious effects of a "peaceful" religion that violates conscience, family relations, love, spiritual privacy, genuine neighborliness, women's rights, educational opportunities--you name it.

In other words, if we haven't fully realized the value of our freedom as ex-JWs, then now is the time to reflect on it. We can mine the threads on this forum for excepts of the thorny problems we face when we try to reconcile old writings with present realities.

We are fairly safe in doing it now, too. When a Muslim is our friend they have already had the bravery to violate the Quran by befriending us, right? And we are NOT living in Saudi Arabia, right? So talk about the experience you had as a "Christian Witness of Jehovah"---I almost guarantee it will open the door to discussion.

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Disfellowshipping painting

by Rambo Morris III in

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made by kirsi-maria aho.

name of the painting is "committee".

here is the link if picture doesn't appear.

humbled

How moving, expressive. Beautiful. For all it's sort of graphic primitive imagery it still has subtle elements. Well done.

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tough year

by GoUnion in

hello everyone just wanted to give a litte update on my leaving jws.

i was an active ms up till the beginning of this year and things were going pretty good up till now.

my wife is active and that has been tough but we were managing.. two months ago my older brother passed of a sudden heart attack.

humbled

Go to counseling to understand what has happened--even if you know why a break-up is pending, maybe she needs to look at the rigid line of JW married life. See it through another person's perspective.

But I would leave if there is no emotion, passion for life that you share.

You are good to be thinking of her welfare--but she is stuck in an impoverished world in more ways than one. Perhaps offer her financial help if she will get training to better her income-earning capacities. Sisters I knew had their backs and knees wear out from housecleaning jobs.

sorry about your brother. I'm glad you got to be around him more these past years.

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Should Pot Be Legalized?

by minimus in

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i don't smoke anything but i know many that do--- some frequently, most infrequently.. personally, i don't see much difference between drinking alcohol and pot use.. should pot be legalized?.

humbled

Yes.

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For the weaker moment

by Gorbatchov in

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i think we all have some time a weaker moment and miss the times we were regular witness.. to admit, i have some of these moments a year.. for these moments i have this point "i can't accect being part of.

a religious organisation that structural apeals child abuse cases".. then i'm finished with the moment.. the path is narrow.. g.. .

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humbled

I am glad to be out. Always.

The fact that my JW friends won't/can't say anything to me says it all.

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Human kindness

by stillin in

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i hold kindness in high regard; it separates us from the drudgery of life and elevates those who practice it as well as those who receive it.

my family has been going through a big crisis for several weeks now and i've noticed a few things.

several of the elders have expressed their concern for us, shared a scripture and then back out to field service or whatever.

humbled

Ditto

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Human kindness

by stillin in

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i hold kindness in high regard; it separates us from the drudgery of life and elevates those who practice it as well as those who receive it.

my family has been going through a big crisis for several weeks now and i've noticed a few things.

several of the elders have expressed their concern for us, shared a scripture and then back out to field service or whatever.

humbled

Hello, stillin,

Yep--what you say about kindness is right on--We know it for what it is where ever i comes from and whoever gives it. It takes at least the time to slow down and look a what is happening to a person in trouble and say or do a thing to help.

That much anyone can do--no matter how poor we are. It takes so little and can mean so much.

When I had my cancer treatment and recovery, persons whose names I never knew were kind to me. It healed me as much as the radiation and chemo, I am certain.

I hope you are soon past this current trouble and thanks for the reminder of the kindness that is available to receive and to give.

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Look what's trending on Yahoo

by carla in

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humbled

Glad to see it's in the news.

When JWs came to my door, I remember this pitch:"Hey- you do not need a clergyman ruling your understanding of scripture--you can read God's word plainly for yourself, right? Here, read this....... what does it say? 'Call no one on earth your father..' JWs do not have a paid clergy, we are all brothers. Isn't that nice?"

Right--

controlled much? O, yeah.

"the brothers" totally tell you what God says and means--WAY beyond anything I ever experienced around other churches. And no, they do not protect children. They protect the WTBTS.

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What if the GB now stated, "Now that's it for the new changes, Stay tuned for 2114"

by Quarterback in

what if the gb has used up all it's bag of tricks, no more adjustments, the ten toes are like the hokey pokey, that's what it's all about?.

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humbled

Yep, Ocean1111--

Like the Great Wizard of Oz ascending in the balloon leaving Dorothy behind--waving goodbye. Tough bounce, you guys, we're outta here.