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  God and Evolution

  by BurnTheShips in

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  during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.

  but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.

  science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.

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  The ball is in "God's" court. So far he hasn't hit it back. This makes for a boring game. Atheists win by default.

  Why don't you take your ball and go home proplog. We'll try to make do........... Burn
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  God and Evolution

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.

  but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.

  science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.

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  BurnTheShips

  Where the writer sees arrogance I see none.

  Well then we disagree.

  I also believe that "faith is the principal vice of any religion". I would love to see how you would try to prove that it was not.

  An explanation would be welcome.

  Faith is not a vice. It is not morally depraved, corrupt, morally failed, faulted nor immoral. It is not a blemish. It is not a defect, habitual or otherwise. It is in no way abnormal, and does not make a believer unfit in any way.

  I would like to see you prove that faith is any of the above.

  Unfaith often is morally depraved, corrupt, morally failed, faulted and immoral. It is a blemish. It is a defect. It is abnormal as evidenced by the enervated minority that believe it. It makes them unfit, as evidenced by the weakened tribe of humans it creates. The founding fathers of modern unbelief, such as Marx and Nietzsche, are wonderful examples of this. They are long dead, but their poisoned seed still bears fruit.

  I would love to see you prove otherwise.

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  God and Evolution

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.

  but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.

  science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.

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  Two misconceptions about evolution here. Evolution is blind, not directed.

  He ascribed the direction to the internal finality of the theory. Not to the process.

  It is also not chance, and nobody said it was.

  The Cardinal agrees with you:

  to ascribe human evolution to sheer chance would be an abdication of human intelligence.

  I really don't see any reason to believe in a god. It always comes down to faith.

  Want a cookie?

  And how much knowledge do we need to have of the inner workings, relationships, habitats and powers of different kinds of faries before we dismiss them?

  Whats that got to do with God?

  The whole point of evolution is that it doesn't 'design' so there is no need for a 'designer' to guide evolution either.

  I don't know how "guided" the biological process was. At the beginning of time everything was set into motion. How much intervention came after, I don't know. However, I do know we are children of God.

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  Godless souls

  by Aleman in

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  hello again!.

  i never thought that so many are believers of a godless life.

  i would like to know, because i just don't understand, how anyone can live life feeling god does not and can not exist?

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  BurnTheShips

  I apologize if I was over-sensitive.

  You can't help it. You're a cat.

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  God and Evolution

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.

  but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.

  science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.

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  BurnTheShips

  What arrogance?

  From the OP:

  ...... to demonstrate that it is irrational to believe in God. The titles of some of these books are revealing: The End of Faith by Sam Harris, Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon by Daniel Dennett, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, and God: The Failed Hypothesis by Victor J. Stenger. The new atheists are writing with the enthusiasm of evangelists propagating the gospel of atheism and irreligion.................................................The proofs for the existence of God, he believes, are all invalid, since among other defects they leave unanswered the question “Who made God?” “Faith,” he writes, “is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. . . . Faith, being belief that isn’t based on evidence, is the principal vice in any religion.” Carried away by his own ideology, he speaks of “the fatuousness of the religiously indoctrinated mind.” He makes the boast that, in the quest to explain the nature of human life and of the universe in which we find ourselves, religion “is now completely superseded by science.”

  That arrogance

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  I was angry at God. Burn's experiences.

  by BurnTheShips in

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  about 9 years ago, i had some personal setbacks.

  bad financial and marriage problems.

  debt issues.

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  BurnTheShips

  Not my age. In my early 30's.

  Smokescreen.
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  God and Evolution

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during the second half of the nineteenth century, it became common to speak of a war between science and religion.

  but over the course of the twentieth century, that hostility gradually subsided.

  science should not try to become religion, nor should religion seek to take the place of science.

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  BurnTheShips

  We barely understand the substance that we are made of ie atoms which are themselves made up of protons, neutrons and electrons which are themselves made up of quarks. The mathematics involved in trying to understand them are so complicated that only a handful of mathematicians can deal with them.

  Hence my new avatar.

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  Godless souls

  by Aleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello again!.

  i never thought that so many are believers of a godless life.

  i would like to know, because i just don't understand, how anyone can live life feeling god does not and can not exist?

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  BurnTheShips

  How insulting. My beliefs are my beliefs, just as deeply and sincerely held as yours, and just as deserving of respect. They are not a manifestation of bitterness. In fact, it's news to me, and I think would be to anyone who knows me, that I'm bitter.

  No need to be insulted UU. I did not say that all are bitter, but many are. And I certainly did not point a finger at you. As for the respect thing. I agree. Some here though, love to rant on the "ridiculousness" of those of us that are of a different suasion than yourself.

  I meant no disrespect.

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  I was angry at God. Burn's experiences.

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  about 9 years ago, i had some personal setbacks.

  bad financial and marriage problems.

  debt issues.

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  BurnTheShips

  True enough the way it presents God is a very Judaic and old testament one, the severe and vindictive lord rather than the loving Father of the New Testament.

  Strange thing is, I have Jewish friends, coworkers and even family members (albeit Reformed Jews). And their lives are NOTHING like that. Most of Judaism has moved on from that mentality. It's really grown.

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  I was angry at God. Burn's experiences.

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  about 9 years ago, i had some personal setbacks.

  bad financial and marriage problems.

  debt issues.

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  BurnTheShips

  Thanks Sweetstuff! I like your new ride.

  Your story is one of active participation in the destiny of your own soul. Keep on the journey. Don't let this place consume you and stop you dead in your tracks. When it has served it's purpose, let it go.

  I probably should move on. But this place is fun!

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