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  Opinion peice on Athiests

  by SickofLies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.

  well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.

  to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.

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  BurnTheShips

  Yesterday's Thor is today's Almighty God and tomorrow's Universal Quantum God.

  I hate to nitpick HS, but Thor was never considered an infinite being. So to compare a god like Thor to the monotheistic concept of "God" is like comparing apples and oranges. However you can name the idea of "God", we are essentially speaking of the same thing.

  Have you actually studied the history of religion?

  I have. Of course there is always more to learn. The book you mention sounds interesting. But first I want to pick up and read this one.

  ...this tome, the history of religious though is traced and its common theme outlined. As Funky Derek noted, all modern religion stems from primitive and common sources.

  The universality of belief in even the most primitive that you seem to allude to constitutes further evidence for the existance of God, and not as you seem to be saying, the opposite. It demonstrates that belief in God is axiomatic and can be rational and justified even without arguments or evidence for the existence of God.

  you must present some sort of evidence as to why you do not view a "lower case god" as divine and why you view an "upper case God" as divine.

  Can you do this?

  I do not need to. I am not arguing over the divinity of Thor, or Zeus, or the angels or whatever.

  I am speaking of the Ultimate Being, the Uncaused Cause, from which (or whom), if such a property as divinity exists (and can be posessed by a putative deity such as Thor), it must logically derive.

  Cheers,

  Burn
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  Opinion peice on Athiests

  by SickofLies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.

  well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.

  to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.

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  BurnTheShips

  SickOfLies, I strongly disagree with this statement:

  ......most of history people have had no choice but to turn to the churches for help in times of need, of course this is no accident and not because of any special caring on the part of the religious. The motives were purely selfish as most still are today.......

  The history of Christianity is full of examples of selfless individuals that dedicated their lives to the service of others because of their faith. Would you like me to compile a small list for you?

  What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. James 2:14-17

  The Christian religion was founded by a person that sacrificed his own life for the sake of others - certainly the supreme charitable act.

  Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13

  You wrote:

  secular or state sponsored charity not only contributes vastly larger sums of money to the poor and needy.........

  To forcibly take from some to give to others is not is not state-sponsored "charity". It is not charity at all! Charity is a voluntary act on behalf of a giver posessed of free will and intent. Forcible taxation and forcible wealth redistribution on behalf of an entity such as the government (because the government essentially has a monopoly on force and violence) is not charity at all.

  .........they also do a better and more fair job distributing it.

  That is a very, very arguable point. Here in my home country many of us are of precisely the opposite suasion regardless of our religious affiliation. To receive charity posesses a negative stigma for those who receive it--the recipients know they are living off of the kindness of others--while welfare distributions on the part of a faceless and impersonal bureaucracy rapidly become an entitlement. The one encourages industry on the part of the recipient, the other sloth.

  Now back to the insane copy pasta and embeded pages.

  Why don't you engage these arguments I have posted instead of reducing yourself to ad hominems?

  Have fun!

  I am!

  Cheers!

  Burn
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  Opinion peice on Athiests

  by SickofLies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.

  well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.

  to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.

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  BurnTheShips

  Ignorance makes one easy prey.

  Skepticism diminishes ignorance.

  Sounds axiomatic to me.

  Please forgive me for requiring the same burden of proof that is placed on believers like me.

  Good night and cheers,

  Burn
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  Who on this Board would love to get rid of Organized Religion?

  by restrangled in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  imho....it all needs to go.

  its influencing everything in this world every and anywhere.

  from the saudies, to the people in irag, iran and anywhere else our sons will need to be sent.. our current president claims he is influenced along with the former prime minister of england by religious beliefs.. there is the huge evangelical influence that got bush and the mess he made who put them in to begin with.. we have the jw's causing absolute havic in anyone's lives connected with this stupidity.. it goes on and on and on.

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  BurnTheShips

  How many Christians are in China? The largest religion hardly!! Why do many believers, feel they have to lie, to make their beliefs look more important?

  No need to lie, its a fact:

  Well, I have to go for the day. Cheers!

  Burn.
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  Opinion peice on Athiests

  by SickofLies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.

  well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.

  to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.

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  BurnTheShips

  "I have never found in any measure where secular people give more than religious people," Brooks noted.Even secular charities benefit more from donors who have a religious faith than they do from secular donors. Religious people are 10 percent more likely to give to secular causes than secular people, he said.

  
  

  The study states that the last line (in red) is due to church's practice/encouragement of tithing.

  Well that just proves my point doesn't it? And besides, even if there was parity in secular donations, religious charities feed clothe heal and shelter a lot of people!
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  Why Do Atheists Get So Angry?

  by serotonin_wraith in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html.

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  BurnTheShips

  My grandchildren will see the destruction of ALL religion not by fighting it directly but simply by laughing at the sheer bloody ridiculousness of it.

  I guess it is just a matter of faith for you.

  Ridiculous!
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  Opinion peice on Athiests

  by SickofLies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.

  well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.

  to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.

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  2. 
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  BurnTheShips

  an we honestly say we have proof of anything other than what we percieve?

  Can you honestly say what you perceive is all that is?

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  Opinion peice on Athiests

  by SickofLies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.

  well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.

  to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.

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  BurnTheShips

  Centuries of unquestioning obedience to the Church and the "God-appointed" King/Czar was facilitated by Christian theology.

  Skepticism, the antithesis of religious faith, makes one difficult to control by any ideology, be it religious or secular.

  Prove it!

  People can hate religion because they don't view it in a good light. You can happen to be an atheist too, but it's not necessary. If you're going to say it's one ideology of atheism, then I'll say it's one theistic ideology too. Therefore, people hate religion in the name of theism/because they are theists.

  Waffles!

  
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  Opinion peice on Athiests

  by SickofLies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.

  well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.

  to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  BurnTheShips

  Do you know any other studies?

  I have already provided two (2) sources. The burden is on you.

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  Opinion peice on Athiests

  by SickofLies in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.

  well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.

  to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  BurnTheShips

  Okay, but it's not 'atheist ideology' to hate religion, is it?

  Ideology:

  2 a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture c : the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program

  "Hating religion" as an ideology has been, and it is presently among many. It is not the only atheist ideology but it is an atheist ideology.

  Nvrgnbk:

  The brutality of Stalin was not contextless. It was able to happen for a reason and part of that reason certainly was the habits indoctrinated into them by the Russian Orthodox Church and the Czar.
  

  Atheists being brutal.........but it is because of the "context" indoctrinated by a Christian religion?

  Classic!