imho....it all needs to go.
its influencing everything in this world every and anywhere.
from the saudies, to the people in irag, iran and anywhere else our sons will need to be sent.. our current president claims he is influenced along with the former prime minister of england by religious beliefs.. there is the huge evangelical influence that got bush and the mess he made who put them in to begin with.. we have the jw's causing absolute havic in anyone's lives connected with this stupidity.. it goes on and on and on.
I know what helps me to "connect"... and it isn't sitting in a room full of people all vacantly reciting the same prayer and standing and sitting at the correct time. If I could get 20 or 30 like minded people together, we could form an organisation
Can I join?
Burn
imho....it all needs to go.
its influencing everything in this world every and anywhere.
from the saudies, to the people in irag, iran and anywhere else our sons will need to be sent.. our current president claims he is influenced along with the former prime minister of england by religious beliefs.. there is the huge evangelical influence that got bush and the mess he made who put them in to begin with.. we have the jw's causing absolute havic in anyone's lives connected with this stupidity.. it goes on and on and on.
I know what helps me to "connect"... and it isn't sitting in a room full of people all vacantly reciting the same prayer and standing and sitting at the correct time. If I could get 20 or 30 like minded people together, we could form an organisation
Can I join?
Burn
the current issue of the economist includes an 18 page special report on the global rise of traditional religion.. in god's nameo come all ye faithfulthe power of private prayerthe new wars of religionholy depressingbridging the divideback to the ottomansstop in the name...the lesson from americathe report is pretty extensive and balanced i think.
even a report of this size can only give an overview of such a large topic.
they conclude some things that religious observers have known for some time.
The current issue of the Economist includes an 18 page special report on the global rise of traditional religion .
The report is pretty extensive and balanced I think. Even a report of this size can only give an overview of such a large topic. They conclude some things that religious observers have known for some time. God is far from dead. Traditional religion is on the rise worldwide. Atheists and secularists are upset that organized religion has not ended.
Cheers,
Burn
imho....it all needs to go.
its influencing everything in this world every and anywhere.
from the saudies, to the people in irag, iran and anywhere else our sons will need to be sent.. our current president claims he is influenced along with the former prime minister of england by religious beliefs.. there is the huge evangelical influence that got bush and the mess he made who put them in to begin with.. we have the jw's causing absolute havic in anyone's lives connected with this stupidity.. it goes on and on and on.
I respect your view AO (and I am not trying to flame you or anything, just discussing), but if you believe Scripture, I think you will admit that God founded an organized religion.
Burn.
imho....it all needs to go.
its influencing everything in this world every and anywhere.
from the saudies, to the people in irag, iran and anywhere else our sons will need to be sent.. our current president claims he is influenced along with the former prime minister of england by religious beliefs.. there is the huge evangelical influence that got bush and the mess he made who put them in to begin with.. we have the jw's causing absolute havic in anyone's lives connected with this stupidity.. it goes on and on and on.
God doesn't need religion.
God doesn't need anything.
But man does.
Whereas, if we all did as Jesus said and went into our room to pray in secret, there would be no need for religion.
Jesus did/said a lot more than that! Jesus founded the largest religion in the world!
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
Burn.
imho....it all needs to go.
its influencing everything in this world every and anywhere.
from the saudies, to the people in irag, iran and anywhere else our sons will need to be sent.. our current president claims he is influenced along with the former prime minister of england by religious beliefs.. there is the huge evangelical influence that got bush and the mess he made who put them in to begin with.. we have the jw's causing absolute havic in anyone's lives connected with this stupidity.. it goes on and on and on.
Those quotation marks make it seem as if I used those words but I don't recall doing so. I certainly did not use them in this thread or as a contrast to my description of moderate religionists as "wishy-washy". Please be more careful.
Sorry FunkyDerek! I did not intend to erect a caricature and attack that. And maybe I am misjudging or misinterpreting you. I did not mean that you said those words, but that I thought those would be words I suspect you would use. However, that kind of thought process (the one I attributed to you-my mistake) does typify much of the antitheist dialogue taking place on this forum, wouldn't you agree?
I do, however think that fundamental ism is both evil and dangerous, because it puts the text of a book - usually one written by primitive barbarians - ahead of reason and concern for others.
I am inclined to agree with you on that one!
Perhaps it seems a bit unfair to describe such a person as "wishy-washy". I am talking, after all, about the majority of decent, upstanding citizens who do their best to get along with their neighbours. But I am also talking about people who claim to believe that a particular holy book is from God yet ignore passages that conflict with modern enlightened morality. I'm glad they do this, of course, but it still strikes me as hypocritical. If it's the Word of God, then what it says should come ahead of all other concerns - this is how fundamentalists behave. The reason I am critical of both groups is that they are both wrong. The Bible (the Koran, the Gita, Dianetics etc.) is not the word of God, it is not something that should be believed or followed even partially, and it is thankfully not the source of most people's morality.
It is a bit unfair, and I am happy you realize that! I don't like to think of myself as being "wishy-washy" if I am not a biblical literalist. Regarding what you think is hipocritical, many Christians (the majority actually, fundies are a minority in the Christian world), regard the Bible as a book about the Revelation of God, not the Revelation itself.Truth be told, some of the greatest idolatry being perpetrated today is by those who have substituted finite religious text for an infinite God. The extreme elements within Islam and Christianity (and some religious Zionists in Israel) are currently unable to distinguish between God and God’s written word. A book cannot contain God. In the minds of many, God’s fixed word has in some sense taken the place of God’s infinite being. Idolatry is when one confuses a partial truth for a whole truth, or when one makes a relative into an absolute.
The fact that I am not superstitious makes me more - not less - capable of understanding the problems caused by other people's superstitions. Why would I have to believe in invisible friends and enemies in order to have an opinion about those who do?
Perspective.
It shouldn't matter.
Fairness matters.
Cheers,
Burn
http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html.
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I hate religion, all religion, with a passion bordering on madness. If this world ever did turn on religion (not happening in my life time I very much fear) I will be right at the front of the mob holding my torch. I can't even vocilize how much I hate religion and would love to destroy it. Or how much disgust I have for anyone who believes in the biblical god and or ANY of these "holy writings..."
All I can say is that the Roman Coliseum's hallowed sands were drenched with the sacred blood of many thousands of Christian martyrs in ages past. It has been tried before, and it failed.
Burn
http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/10/atheists-and-an.html.
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Wow, mkr32208.
Just, wow. I feel your pain. I hope you can find peace.
I will pray for you.
Burn
there seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.
well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.
to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.
FunkyDerek,
They are all various incarnations of the war god who became the god of the Jews and then in somewhat altered forms
I don't think you are understanding me.
But I don't think you want to understand me.
We are not talking about a tribal war god here, but something altogether different.
Burn
there seems to be a lot of hostility on the board toward atheists still and a lot of comments floating around like atheists are to preachy.
well i want to take a quick minute and deal with some of these issues.
to begin with, to make any statement regarding atheists in general would be false for several reasons.
You seem have taken the viewpoint that all religion is an attempt at indentifying an unseen creative, some religious definitions being more advanced than others, but all trying to describe the same thing. Do I have this right?
Hmmmm.
I think I can agree with that.
Yes.
Burn.
