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  My first Post: Am I an ADULTERER?

  by The Alchemist in

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  today i visited my jw mother and i asked her a question.

  i said, "mom if i was to get married would i be disfellowshiped?

  " she said "well since you didn't have scriptual grounds for your divorce i would guess that if you went ahead and got married you would be committing adultery.

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  DJ

  Hi Alchemist,

  I think that you should print out the transcript of the Sunday Program ( Thread by Jang posted today) and let your mom read it.
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  Transcript of Oz TV Program SILENT WITNESS

  by Jang in

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  simon thomas: i think all of them could have been saved.

  " and i'd heard this, obviously, and i approached the elder that my father spoke to and i said, "look, my brother's telling the truth because it's also happened to me.

  simon thomas: that elder that we spoke to at that time was john wingate.

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  it really bothers me that they think they know how God feels thinks and what he would say when it's been in his witten word that a lie is detestable, having a form of godly devotion and not adhering to it. basically twisting scripture to fit their needs !

  My thoughts exactly.

  Thankyou Jan for posting this transcript for us. I feel physically ill after reading it. I've never been more disgusted in my entire life! This is truly upsetting to say the least.......I want to print this out for my jw family to read yet I can already hear them claiming persecution. I'm not sure what to do.......this is utterly sickening. I am so sad. I am so thankful for these brave souls who are exposing the troof for the lie that it is.

  (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((SILENTLAMBS))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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  Depression and Dubs

  by pincushion in

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  since i have found this forum i have been doing a lot of online looking, particularily spying on what the dubs have to say about all the negative attention they have been getting in the news of late and through the internet in forums such as this.

  i did a quick search on msn communites and came across over 70 online jw communities.

  one particular posting on one community (#1 rated jw community on msn if anyone desires to look it up) i read a message thread on depression.

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  Hi Pincushion,

  I remember too well. Living in fear, carrying heavy burdens, no one to talk to without fear of judgement. I remember looking at the people outside my windows who were laughing and talking and having fun and thinking, "Those evil people". I knew that I wasn't good enough for Jehovah but I managed to keep my head high and filled with the denial that self-righteousness brings. I was proud that I did not celebrate those pagan holidays who masqueraded as just a time to see your loved ones. I remember thinking that my depression was my adversary trying to defeat me because I was a believer. I remember feeling superior to the humans in the world because I had accurate knowledge yet I was drowning in lonliness and fear. I remember thinking that love was secondary and knowledge was first. I remember not wanting to exist because I had no joy.

  It's really sad to think that those poor women are still in bondage and yet they are. I want to help them but they hate me. I want to love them and show them how to be free. I want to hold their hand while they tell me how they feel. I want to give them peace and joy and love and comfort. I want to cry with them over their losses. I want to laugh with them when they are set free.

  love, dj
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  CONGRATULATIONS!!!!

  by deceit in

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  to the people involved with the sunday program in australia.. that has got to be one of 'the' most damning doco's yet!!.

  the fallout from this will be huge.. if i were one of the top people in bethel and watched it, well all i can say is what you sow is what you reap, i would hate to be in your shoes now.. once again, thanks to all involved, it was fantastic!

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  I much appreciated the link. Thanks for posting. I get so angry when I hear the lies. What will it take for them to change????? Denial is a powerful place to live. More powerful than one could imagine. They just see this as persecution. This is a living breathing nightmare!

  MAY GOD BLESS YOU SILENTLAMBS!
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  know the truth, not beleif

  by jane53 in

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  "i don't think about when the end will come......i believe it will, like all christians but it is not a place to dwell.

  we don't know when...so we just live our lives as believers doing that daily stuff.

  you're right, we, as human beings dont know when 'the end' will come.

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  I love this lady....welcome ((((((((Jane))))))))))))) I have a funny story....Jane is an aussie who watched 60 minutues last night which covered the sex abuse within the org. She has never been a jw. This was an upsetting show for her, of course. She came to our board to blast us and our wicked beliefs as JW's

  Bless her heart....she came into chat ready to war with us! It took a while but Joy and I finally realized the problem and had a side splitting laugh. Finally, it clicked and she realized that we are APOSTATES.

  So, give this newbie a hand ladies and gents!!!!!!!!! LMAO! She may disagree with my beliefs as a Christian but she hates the WT teachings so she's not half bad!!!! Love, DJ
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  Last Days ? for ALL BIBLE BELIEVERS

  by JT in

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  for many of us who were perhaps like myself - a dyed in the wool society man/woman and very strong supporter of the "last days concept".. i have a question,-- below is just an example of the 14th century-.

  can you name anytime in history since the day jesus and paul introduced the dogma of the last days where those who called themselves christians didn't believe that they were the ones who were suppose to get the fullfillment of the last days dogma?.

  has there any been a time say in 800ad or 1215ad, etc---- where those who were believers taught that the last days would come not in thier time but further down the road long after they were dead and gone?.

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  Hey JT,

  I can relate, believe me! I think that we, Christians are just supposed to be ready at all times. I think it is just that simple. I don't think about when the end will come......I believe it will, like all Christians but it is not a place to dwell. We don't know when...so we just live our lives as believers doing that daily stuff. If he does return in my lifetime and who knows.....then I'll be ready. I am ready always and that's where my peace comes from. Hope too. Christians agree that we've been in the LAST DAYS since Jesus was crucified......John said it. I know 2002? years is a long time to be in the last days lol but Jesus said that he didn't want anyone to perish and he is patient....so he's taking his time, I guess. The jw's are the ones with the interpretation that the last days just started since 1914.

  P.S. ok.....atheists....back off...it is my belief and I'm entitled just like you! Love, dj
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  I need some input...

  by Lin in

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  hi everyone, something has been on my mind lately and i would really appreciate some comments.

  i've posted a few topic discussions on my story as a dub, recent dicoveries of wt tampering with the bible translations they use and the subsequent emotions that came from learning that so many things i was taught growing up are lies, and about visiting various churches (chuck swindoll etc).

  here's what has been on mind the last few days.

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  Hi Lin,

  Me again. It's ok, don't worry about Eric. It's hard to hear the tone used when you can only read it, ya know? Anyway, if I were you......I'd have to make darn sure that before I actually tied the knot, I'd get some things straight. I would hope that since your fiance claims salvation then he would never get in your way if you wanted to attend a church. Ask him? It doesn't sound like he would be interested but that shouldn't stop you from going if that's what you want. You should just make sure that you are ok with the idea of going w/o him.

  I have been blessed w/ a husband that is also my best friend. I can talk to him about anything and visa versa. I wouldn't want to have it any other way. This issue with your fiance concerns your spirituality and I regard that as a top priority, to have the specifics ironed out before you marry him. My guess is that he would be fine with it and if he's not.....then I would really have to question a lot of things about him. I want the best for you Lin. I've read some of your posts and we have a lot in common. I relate to much of the stuff you say. I mean that w/ all of my heart.

  Claiming Christ is one thing and I really believe that the best indicator of sincerity is the fruits. Is your fiance a loving and kind person? Is he gentle and dependable? Considerate and compassionate? Does he pray? Does he seem to put others first or himself? ETC. You know these things. You also know that just because a person says so doesn't always mean it's true. From being dubs we know that much! If he seems and acts like a Christian should act then he is one. He claims he's saved and I know the scripture that you are referring to! Boy do I! Lord, Lord, didn't we.......right? At the end of that passage Jesus calls them workers of iniquities or lawlessness. The only question you need to ask yourself is if your fiance is a worker of lawlessness or iniquity. That should be obvious to you by now. I hope that you know him that well. If he continues to practice in sinful behavior w/o repentance then I would think you would know by now. Lin, I am giving you all that I know. It maybe isn't enough. I wouldn't dwell so much about who is really saved and who isn't. It is not up to us and yes, it is judging if you need to size everyone up. As far a the b/f goes.....that's a different story...you are to be under his headship, right? Yuk,,,a jw thing, I know. One thing that I had to learn too...lol was that just because the dubs taught something in the bible, it does not ALWAYS mean that they are wrong. (just most of the time.lol) I used to have 'trigger words and verses'. It used to upset me to hear things that I equated w/ the jw's. I eventually learned that's gonna happen and the whole spirit of being a Christian as opposed to a dub is profoundly different even though they have some slight similarities. I have no idea if I worded any of this right but i hope you understand what I mean and that I just want you to be happy and fulfilled and blessed.

  Ugh! my son interrupted me a few times while typing this and well......you know how that goes. Sorry, I personally am thrilled to be under the headship of my hubby. He is sweet and giving and compassionate, he puts me first. I am so darned thankful for him. I want you to be happy under your fiances headship. It is vital, isn't it? I want the best for you.....give it some though, ok? Love, Donna aka dj
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  Poetry in depression

  by Mimilly in

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  judgement day (salem reid).

  there's no peace, no place, just excruciating pain.

  there's no peace, no place, just buried deep pain.

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  (((((((((MIM))))))))))))

  I love you. I'll be your friend. You are so ggod at hiding your pain. The way that you reach out to others on the board shows me that you are full of love. I want to give you some back. (((((((((((MIM)))))))))))

  (((((((((((((((((((((((SALEM))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  love, DJ / Donna

  e-mail is [email protected] anytime
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  laying a foundation

  by Cyn in

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  it is 5:14 am and i have not slept...my pattern of sleep has reveresed ..but i will do my best to lay a foundation for the rest of my story.. it is long so i will cut corners and by the ned ( if i get there) i hope that some people will remember most of it...i am hoping this will help me heal .. to begin with... i had depression as a child ....call it sadness..children do not have the vocabulary or understanding with which to label things.and they more often than not internalize and take blame for what may be considered abuse.....as a child i was rather aware and analytical.. this sadness came from my own genetics and living with an erratic ( bipolar pehaps father) and a depressive mother.....no one knew!

  i felt somethung was wrong but as i voiced it in my teens i became the bad one...dad was verbally abusive and mom backed him up due to her own" stuff" mom hispanic abd catholic dad was a non practicing jew..........mom was raised to be super resonsible and to take crap from her husband,,,her own father being an alcoholic,,,,,,,along the way many major family tragedies occured........mom was always praying and " accepting her lot in life"........ i felt a loss and hole in my chest and i asked god begged god to help me to be a father to me.......when we went to the woods i used to talk to the trees and nature and look up at the sky and just know that there was a benevolent 'someone" looking out for me.... as i got older i serached for the right way to find god....i felt that once i found this then all woud be well.......... i read about many "christian" religions read parts of the bible led my life like a nun.... i investgated pentocostal churches that are referred to as legalistic nowadays......( i am over 40).......i looked at the cathoilics even asked questiosn of a priest and he failed he test...........i ahd never been bapstized and i wanted it to be the absolutly right place.........as if i were marrying god............i am depressive posisibly bipolar2.....i have read where some illness manifest in obsssions with religious things .....( god ) ........perhaps it is so .....but so many i knew in various groups seemed to be sure and seemes to not suffer as i .........my mother;s respnse to me sadness was to take me to a spiritualist and i knew at that time this was like a pysch doc to her culture.......... there is more abt my childhood much much more....but i will end this bt saying that the stage was set for me to enter a high control group.... as my father and mother were both patriaachial mom being sooooooooo passive submissve........... just a note: dysfunctional groups ( systems) resemble each other.......... .

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  Hi Cynthia,

  Please continue if you'd like.....we are here, ok? Love, dj
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  I am new to this site.... I wish to tell my story.

  by Cyn in

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  my name is cynthia... i have had depression as a child ( undiagnosed ) father was possibly bipolar and mother is depressive both undiagnosed.....my journry into the org along with how the depression became a mental breakdown , which i thought was jehovah removing his spirirt.

  my sruggle with the elders......and the many ways and people i sought help from.....well it is all a long story......... included in it.

  jws i have known with mental health issues.......breakdowns.......psych docs have had discussed this with........ i would like to relate my story.....i was so ill..nearly catotonic i did not go to a hospital but if i relate how i felt.........it was clear...... how i was afraid of crossing the street because the green light may have been really a red light and i was told so often by the elders that my thinking was wrong...... ie " they were showing love by isolating me ( a depressed person) because i needed to be active and i was not complying..they said they tried ll that they coudl when in reality it was i always i that reached out to them ( thinking they were chosen of god)...... well..i just gave a sampler....my story is very long...i have been tenatious i read so much ( even before becoming a jw ) about depression and dysfunctional families... i was a teacher did not gte my ma ..people here know why i am sure..... well...before i write this story of mine...i would like to ask..if i can do it in intallments........those i relate my story to say i should write a book..........i am not " out of the woods yet".........by the way.......i came to the point that i could not leave my room..... i live in nyc and i was able to speak to bethel elders including g. gangus.... i was very sincere......naive idealistic.............i asked qiestions thinking that surly god understood ...that my motives were good... .

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  Hi Cynthia,

  ((((((((WELCOME)))))))))) Just let it out. We're here for you. I think that most of our parents have some type of mental illness. My personal opinion is that the watchtower fuels it. In a lot of cases I think the watchtower teachings can cause it. Like your parents, most are undiagnosed. Feel free to tell us your story and maybe we can all get to know each other better. We all share a traumatic past. Love, dj