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  Would you become a Veggie to save the planet

  by eyeslice in

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  quite a debate has been going on in the media this week regarding carbon emissions and it has been suggested that we should either become vegetarians or at the very least drastically reduce our meat consumption.. lets face it .

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  "So would you become veggie to save the planet?"

  No.

  My ideal is to eat mostly vegetarian purely for personal health reasons. It is impossible for any ideology, no matter how well meaning it may be, to "save the planet."

  Dave
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  Does anyone play an instrument just for fun?

  by keeshondgirl in

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  i like to play the piano, the drums, and i am teaching myself to play the flute.. i can play the trumpet too but i have to practice it more..

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  Brilliant Talk Yesterday

  by Violet in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just thought i would share this.........a brother who used to be a mercenary before he came into the truth gave the talk at the hall yesterday and he said that the bible was like jehovah's cv.....it told us everything about him.....so we can really know him.. he also said with all the governments and all the rules and regulations in the world, and nothing working at the moment, we should appreciate that jehovah only has 2 laws.............love him above all other things, and love our neighbours..........if only the whole world obeyed those 2 laws there would be peace without the need for armageddon................so its all down to humans why things are going wrong.. if we abandoned the planet tomorrow the earth would repair itself and there would be peace and harmony in nature.......... man has really messed up.. thank goodness we have had the chance to know jehivah and have a hope for the future!!.

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  Impromptu Survey - 2 Types of Reasons to Leave

  by AdaMakawee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was thinking, not counting those who are df'd for "conduct," it seems to me that there are two type of exjws that leave.

  by this i mean the ones that woke up and came to their senses while still inside.

  1. those who found doctrinal errors and couldn't stay with the lies.. 2. those who found that there was no love and left because of the betrayal of emotions, and realization that by this fruit you knew they were not the ones, their lack of love.

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  A bit of #2 led ultimately to #1.

  Currently non-religious/non-theist.
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  Back at the meetings for the past couple of weeks...

  by PrimateDave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, i made my move from puerto rico and have been staying with jw family for a few weeks now.

  needless to say, they are as "into it" as ever before.

  they started pioneering the first of september.

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  I found a place to work in another state. Interestingly, my accomodations are in easy walking distance to a local Kingdom Hall. I was wondering whether I should grow a beard and show up as a "worldly person"? Nah!

  It's nice to be back on the internet!

  Dave
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  Back at the meetings for the past couple of weeks...

  by PrimateDave in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, i made my move from puerto rico and have been staying with jw family for a few weeks now.

  needless to say, they are as "into it" as ever before.

  they started pioneering the first of september.

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  Thanks for the support!

  I'm pondering a mental image of Mr. Flipper running out of the KH with his hair on fire! lol!

  It's not easy to sit though the meetings, especially since the basic cult message is repeated over and over again. Kinda like Chinese water torture!

  I spend the time at the meetings reading the Bible, but even that gets tiresome after an hour or so.

  My family told the elders that I have been inactive (their idea), even though I verbally DA'd in Puerto Rico over three years ago. So, I'm not being shunned like a DA/DF person. Still, I haven't had any desire to get to know the "friends." A couple of elders gave me a little "encouragement" in the back room. I clenched my jaw and listened politely. One of these guys was a Bethelite who got reasigned with his wife to pioneer in this congregation. They haven't bothered me again. I don't plan to give them a chance either.

  I am leaving tomorrow to stay with my "worldly" friend and his wife. I plan to keep in touch with my family, but I just can't let them rule my life.

  Dave
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  Back at the meetings for the past couple of weeks...

  by PrimateDave in

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  well, i made my move from puerto rico and have been staying with jw family for a few weeks now.

  needless to say, they are as "into it" as ever before.

  they started pioneering the first of september.

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  Thanks for the replies, yall! Actually, I did have a minor confrontation with them just over a week ago after the Sunday meeting. I don't exactly remember why, but I was in a bad mood. I think it may have started with something that was said before the meeting. There was some comment made on a television program about Evolution that morning, and my relative made some negative remark about that. They, of course, think that Evolution is a bunch of hogwash, nevermind the fact that all they know of it comes straight from the Society's publications. I didn't say anything at that time in response. (AND the point of this thread is NOT to discuss Evolution or Creation. Thank you! )

  So, I went to the meeting with them. I literally couldn't wait to get out of the hall after the final song and prayer. When we got home, they asked me what was bothering me; why I was so quiet. They could tell I was not in a good mood. So, against my better judgement, I opened up a little. I started out by asking how they can berate Evolution without knowing anything about it, and the Society's books don't count in that regard because they're obviously biased. I insinuated that the Global Flood of Noah never happened because there is no evidence for it in ice cores and tree rings. I brought up the myth of the Tower of Babel. Why would God be so afraid of men building a tower to reach his throne? I started to ramble a bit. Why do the accounts of Jesus birth in Matthew and Luke contradict each other? Weren't the Patriarchs and Israelites just as pagan as their Canaanite neighbors? I came right out and told them that there will be no solution for mankind's problems, no Kingdom, no Armageddon, no Paradise, no Everlasting Life; that I fully expect to die in this old world and that they would too. And then I shut up because I knew it wasn't having a beneficial effect for any of us. They are happy with what they believe, and nothing I say will change that.

  Speaking of meetings, I have found the discussion of sexuality at the CBS thoroughly disgusting, especially the part on masturbation this past week. If I were a parent I would not have allowed my children to be present. Closely related to this was the discussion of Balaam both in the CBS and the WBR. No one, it seems, can see the apparent contradiction between the Balaam of Numbers 22-24 and the way he is portrayed in the rest of the Bible, nor could they give a scolarly explanation of why that contradiction exists. There is absolutely no scholarly examination of the Bible whatsoever in congregation meetings. WTS talking points seem to solely revolve around simplistic and guilt inducing stories. Of course, I already knew that to be the case, but having been inactive for over three years, it really hit me just how cult-like the meetings really are. BTW, you can Google "leolaia" and "balaam" for some good material about Balaam.

  Dave
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  Back at the meetings for the past couple of weeks...

  by PrimateDave in

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  well, i made my move from puerto rico and have been staying with jw family for a few weeks now.

  needless to say, they are as "into it" as ever before.

  they started pioneering the first of september.

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  Well, I made my move from Puerto Rico and have been staying with JW family for a few weeks now. Needless to say, they are as "into it" as ever before. They started pioneering the first of September. I've been going to the meetings with them because they asked me to, and I decided to be nice about it. At first I was also invited to read along with them in their daily Bible reading, so I went along with that too.

  Unfortunately, I've just about reached the limits of my tolerance for The Truth TM . I called up a non Witness friend of mine in another state, and I'm going to visit with him for a bit. I'm not too sure what I want to do after that though. As much as I love my family, life is just too short to spend dealing with the effects of this cult on a daily basis.

  Dave
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  What do you know "without googling" about the reputed mechanisms for evolution?

  by gubberningbody in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see people take positions all day long and i rather suspect both sides are woefully ignorant.. i read and hear people speak of the volumes of data pro or con and when i ask for specific examples of what each may be referring to, i am often met with silence.. .

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  GB, you seem like a relatively intelligent bipedal hominid, but I am not entirely sure what you mean by this statement:

  "No one can even imagine a path whereby a random or an even non-random walk could take one from a so-called low form of life, like an amoeba to an American."

  Are you suggesting that the path from "amoeba" to "American" or "virus" to "violinist" could have been at least partially directed by something not generally understood by the theory of Evolution? Do you really suppose that the Universe is evolving in a linear fashion? Could not the massively interactive and parallel reality of the physical universe have a nearly infinite number of outcomes? In fact, everything evolves all the time at the same time everywhere. This isn't so hard to understand, is it? Neither Americans nor violins (and violinists) appeared on the scene fully formed as they are today. None of my ancestors 10,000 years ago set out to eventually become "American," and the makers of early stringed instruments didn't imagine that someday violins would be made in their current form and played in symphony orchestras.
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  Moving Day...not for me exactly :)

  by SnakesInTheTower in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ..i hate moving, haven't done it myself in awhile.....but it is furniture moving day for me.

  this is not a serious thread, a tirade thread, a troll thread...its just ....a commentary on real life thread... i like having a real life.. having lived alone in this house for the last 12 years, i have managed to not accumulate a lot of crap.

  i have a rule: 1 thing in, 2 things out...keeps clutter to a minimum.

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  Wonderful! I'll bet that a year ago when you were thinking of moving out because of your bad neighbor, you could have never imagined this.