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  Happy JW Marriages the Impossible Dream?

  by IslandWoman in

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  while it is not impossible to have a happy marriage in the jw religion for many it is hard, for some it is very hard to maintain happiness in their marriage.

  the watchtower raises the bar so very high in every aspect of life, marriage included.

  the watchtower literature encourages a jw married couple to be practically perfect, or at least that is the goal set before them.

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  Amac writes:

  I can effectively say that the teaching of the WT is the reason my parents have a happy marriage. If he had gone to another religion, he may not have agreed with their doctrinal beliefs and woudn't have followed any of their advice. Since he became a JW, he did follow their teachings and what they taught him about marriage was a benefit.

  
  If he had gone to another a religion he MAY not have agreed with their doctrinal beliefs and wouldn't have followed any of their advice.

  We can only theorize what he might or might not have done had he joined another religion, right? We don't know what effect joining another religion might have had on his because he didn't join any other religion, he joined the witnesses. It's possible that joining {insert religious group of choice here} could have helped his marriage. We don't know, do we?

  Sounds like they are not following the advice of the WT and the Bible.

  What unique advice does the WT offer on marriages that isn't available elsewhere? Isn't the advice of the WT to follow the bible or is there some other fantastic marriage-fixin' remedy that the WT has cooked up? Please explain what UNIQUE advice has been offered by the WT?

  "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church" (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).

  The WT must have skipped over this in the bible?
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  How about a laugh? PICTURE 2

  by ballistic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's a picture straight from jw-media.org.

  all post what you think the one guy is saying to the other.... .

  i've got a few ideas.

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  detective

  "we're cliiiiiimbing the stairway...to Heaven"
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  You gotta be kidding!

  by RR in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just checked out the watchtower.org site.

  guess what the main article is?

  yep child molestation.

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  detective

  Anybody live in AZ that can get a copy of the article? I'd be interested to see it because newspapers don't usually use the word "Jehovah".
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  Thought Experiments and Bill Bowen

  by HildaBingen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i once had a friend who had racial epithets hurled at her by a white man.

  he was not the only one who showed himself to be a racist.

  she also went to get a job at a huge prominent corporation in a prosperous country and she did not get the job because she was a certain color.

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  Amac,
  I get your point. But I think your point is still somewhat passive.

  We agree that the policy needs to change. As you put it: "spelled out" in their literature. But you seem to be putting the emphasis on the everyman JW who is simply following church policy when they take their complaints to the elders first. As if Joe publisher is responsible for the reporting system as it stands now. This isn't the case. This a top-down policy where witnesses are expected to report complaints about other witneses (including illegal activities) to elders FIRST. The society dictates this policy. Now, if you think that this policy should be disregarded then it would have to be the society that initiates it. If they fail to do so, who to responsible? The average rank and file witness who follows their policies (usually with the distinct realiztion that failure to do so could result in penalty) or the policy makers themselves?

  You keep insinuating that the parents or the average witness ar shirking their responsibilities by going to the elders first. That's the policy.

  So, the upper eschelon who is responsible for that policy needs to step up and change it. Right?
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  Thought Experiments and Bill Bowen

  by HildaBingen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i once had a friend who had racial epithets hurled at her by a white man.

  he was not the only one who showed himself to be a racist.

  she also went to get a job at a huge prominent corporation in a prosperous country and she did not get the job because she was a certain color.

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  amccullough (amac) writes:

  If someone breaks in their house and steals their TV, who do they call? If someone is throwing rocks at their house who do they call? If somone molests their child, who do they call? It should be that simple, but it obviously isn't.

  Who do they call? Why, the police, silly.

  But if it's another witness who steals their television or throws rocks at their house, who do they call then?

  The elders.

  The burden lies with the elders because that's the "arrangement" when dealing witness to witness.
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  Thought Experiments and Bill Bowen

  by HildaBingen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i once had a friend who had racial epithets hurled at her by a white man.

  he was not the only one who showed himself to be a racist.

  she also went to get a job at a huge prominent corporation in a prosperous country and she did not get the job because she was a certain color.

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  Hilda says:

  And the WT is not trying to protect itself. It loves children and has a policy designed to protect children.

  Which policy is that? Requiring two witnesses to pedophilia or warning children that they might be comtting slander if they can't produce two witnesses? Which policy, Hilda?

  Hilda continues:
  

  Those who molest children in the WT are punished.

  
  Really? Punished how? No microphone privledges? Woohoo! That'll solve the problem. Or punished by expulsion? As a "worldly" person, why do you think I should find that impressive? Hmmm? Do you think it comforts me to know that the watchtower protected it's own ass by expelling someone yet leaves them undetected among the "worldlies"?

  Screw you, Hilda.
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  Please post ALL Links to papers carrying the story

  by Venice in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.kgoam810.com/complexshowdj.asp?djid=3284.

  http://www.cnn.com/2002/us/05/09/jehovah.witnesses.ap/index.html.

  http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2002/05/08/ke050802s203205.htm.

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  I'd love to see this in the Boston papers but with our current Catholic pedophilia scandal, I'm not sure it'd get picked up.

  If you want to give it a try, here are some contacts for people to email/fax:

  The Boston Globe:

  [email protected]

  "news tip from extranet" should be your email header.

  For the Boston Herald:

  [email protected]
  Tips or comments call
  (617) 619-6789

  The Christian Science Monitor:

  The newsroom address and phone number:
  The Christian Science Monitor
  1 Norway Street
  Boston, MA 02115
  617.450.7034
  To send a letter to the editor, email [email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>

  The Boston Phoenix:

  Please send letters to the editor, press releases, and article commentary to [email protected] <mailto: [email protected]>
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  Is Anything Worth Dying For?

  by HildaBingen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i often hear people here talk about the horrible jw willingness to die for blood transfusions.

  maybe jws are mistaken when it comes to the bt issue; maybe not.

  however i wonder if there is anything that is really worth dying for in this life.. for me, to live is christ and to die is gain.

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  Meanwhile, Clement Samabona, spokesman of the Jehovah Witnesses' Watch Tower Society in Zambia said the refusal by the
  parents to consent to blood transfusion was their personal belief and not that of the Church.

  Lying is fun! (Liability is not)
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  Hey all I invite you to a little experiment.......

  by JPandelo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as i am sure most of you know my parents were told they were to be disfellowshipped by roger eisenhuth and steve stripling over the telephone today.

  yes we know they were disfellowshipped for apostasy however, is'nt it curious that they were not provided an explanation for how the elder body came to their decision.

  i personally think that it is something that is truly deserving of an answer.

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  Question: while it's not appropriate to name names, would it be okay for Mr. pandelo to give out the mailing address of the congregation. Isn't that public record?

  I'm not interested in starting any unnecessary troubles beyond words of complaint, however it would seem that letters of protest could be mailed- better yet- postcards could be mailed to the kingdom hall. I seem to recall someone mentioning post sept. 11th/anthrax attacks that postcards would be a good option. I tend to agree.
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  Mothers Day - is it celebrated?

  by scammer68 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can someone pls help.

  is mothers day (& fathers day) celebrated by the jw's?

  if it is not, can you provide a scriptural reason for the decision.

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  detective

  The bible says you should honor your mother and father. Why is the watchtower telling you NOT to honor your mother (or father)one day a year? Must be something in the special invisible footnotes that only true believers can see?