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  Speaking of PLN...

  by detective in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  an experience from pure language network:.

  the girl she did not know said she was one of jehovah's witnesses.

  jehovah picks our friends.

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  Grrr, I really shouldn't be exposing myself to such wickedness but I am!

  I would have loved to explain that "Jehovah picks our friends" line to my pal. Seems Jehovah picked some worldly types for him, so he hadn't any reason to be ashamed of his worldly buds after all! Oh well.

  But, since my skin is crawling anyway...

  another PLN nugget from a thread entitled replies to mormonism and islam:

  "Karen brought up a scripture that makes it clear there is no need for any holy book beyond the Bible. 2 Tim 3:16. Any others? Since both Mormonism and Islam claim a book or prophet was necessary beyond the Bible, I am putting both in the same thread."

  Can they NOT see the problem with dismissing additional books (or a prophet)? Are they really that lacking in insight that they can tell a mormon that the bible is all they need as they attempt to hand them a magazine? Ugh!
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  Speaking of PLN...

  by detective in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  an experience from pure language network:.

  the girl she did not know said she was one of jehovah's witnesses.

  jehovah picks our friends.

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  An experience from pure language network:

  JWs are different!!

  One interesting point made by the District Overseer's talk is that we do not pick our friends, Jehovah does.

  You all in this group are such nice picks from Jehovah!

  One interesting experience was of a young sister at school who was at a lunch table with ones talking about dating.

  The others were saying "I don't kiss till
  the second date...".

  So she told them her views on dating.

  Another girl she did not know, who was
  sitting with them said "oh your views are just like mine".

  The first girl then asked "of what religion are you?"

  The girl she did not know said she was one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

  "I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses too".

  They both got up and hugged like long lost friends.

  A girl sitting at the table was really
  impressed.

  She got up and went down the hall choose a person at random and asked what religion they were.

  The girl said Catholic, "Me too!" she said and with outstretched arms went to hug her.

  This other girl said "whoa, back off what do you think you are doing?"

  The girl walked off wondering why Catholics were different than Jehovah's Witnesses.

  The reason?

  Jehovah picks our friends.
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  Fraction Fiction?

  by Cassiline in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i am very confused over the blood fraction matter.

  i used to wear the little gold circle; engraved "no blood" pinned to my bra as a child and later carried a "no blood" card till i was 26. i am angry and sorry for all those who lost their lives to a doctrine that is now being redefined.

  perhaps soon fine tuned until one can accept all forms of blood.. i recently had surgery and this health care power of attorney was sent to me (filled out by the person who sent it) concerned for my "spiritual well being" she/he wanted me to copy it and give it to my doctors.

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  detective

  Pretty scary stuff. And really quite wrong. It's so sad to thinks of lives lost and ruined over such craziness.
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  JW Site Closed

  by YouBetcha in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you guys see that one of the more popular jw sites closed down?

  greatcrowd.net ceased to exist.

  who's left?.

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  I know my friend is good at parroting back that "no internet" advice. Oh, he'll still use it, he just keeps away from JW related sites.

  It's strange, he's a very intelligent guy but unusually gullible when it comes to scammers and a certain unnamed cult group.
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  To All Those With The Elders' Textbook

  by stevieb1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm not an elder but i do have a photocopy of the book from the net.

  a number of elders in the congregation say that i should hand it over to them as "i should not have it.

  " the chief reason they give for their request is that the information therein (such as the chapters on judicial cases) is not for my consumption and would not be of any use to me as i'm not an elder in the same way a book on surgical technique would be of little use to me if i wasn't a practicing surgeon.. the claim is made that those who post confidential "to the body of elders" letters on the net are being dishonest - therefore they are not christians.

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  stevieB,
  how are you managing to have such in depth conversations with your elders without getting the scarlet "A" (apostate) stamped on your forehead?
  Are you unbaptized or studying?

  You seem to still yield to their authority while simultaneously challenging it. That can't bode well for your future within the organization.
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  JW Blood Ban Checklist: Can Anyone Help Here?

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking mainly of lee elder, but it seems that that a concise, user-friendly list of the permissible/prohibited blood fractions of current jw policy would be more than a mere convenience... it has life-saving potential!

  the mere fact that the watchtower does not see fit to clear the air and print a simple summary of the current blood fraction policy in a ``question from readers'' article or something.. their failure to do so thus far speaks volumes as to how little regard they have for the lives of their drones especially of the children who, in view of the stagnation of the organization, are the society's most promising -- and maybe only -- source of future growth.

  brooklyn seems to prefer distributing ``no blood'' cards to the flock and apparently has no interest in clarifying a matter they alone have obfuscated by their confusing and often contradictory rhetoric.

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  So, if I'm reading this chart correctly, everything that falls under the plasma heading (on the right in Beli's diagram) is allowable?

  Oops, let me clarify that. Everything under the plasma heading excluding plasma is okay?
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  JW Blood Ban Checklist: Can Anyone Help Here?

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking mainly of lee elder, but it seems that that a concise, user-friendly list of the permissible/prohibited blood fractions of current jw policy would be more than a mere convenience... it has life-saving potential!

  the mere fact that the watchtower does not see fit to clear the air and print a simple summary of the current blood fraction policy in a ``question from readers'' article or something.. their failure to do so thus far speaks volumes as to how little regard they have for the lives of their drones especially of the children who, in view of the stagnation of the organization, are the society's most promising -- and maybe only -- source of future growth.

  brooklyn seems to prefer distributing ``no blood'' cards to the flock and apparently has no interest in clarifying a matter they alone have obfuscated by their confusing and often contradictory rhetoric.

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  I'd like to see the scan. Unfortunately, I'm not too handy with computer advice!
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  HELP! NEED INPUT/EXPERIENCES

  by stevieb1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have come to the conclusion that so many of the society's doctrines are not scriptural (both major and minor ones) that i can no longer cal it "the truth".

  i still go to congregation meetings, but i can't see myself going for much longer - a bit of a crisis of conscience.

  however, there seems to be one piece of seemingly logical advice from the elders that i cannot come to terms with despite what i have found.. even amongst the elders that have spoken to me there seems to be some who do not accept the entire body of doctrines of the society, yet because they see the fruitage of matthew 7:17, 20 being expressed within the congregation and not elsewhere they stay and advise me to stay too.

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  I'd be interested to know what they mean when they say no one else is preaching the kingdom of god? What I suspect they mean is that no one else is preaching the good news of the kingdom of god... as defined by the witnesses.
  Of course there are plenty of people who preach the kingdom of god, but they do not seem to qualify because the JWs work under the assumption that other people are just doing it wrong! An example: What they fail to understand is that other religions do not believe that only 144,000 will go to heaven- therefore preaching it would seem a bit absurd, right? However, the witnesses maintain that in order to preach the kingdom of god or "good news" it must sound exactly like they way they perceive it.
  Another example- the blast other religions for affiliating with the United Nations. What they don't recognize is that other religions do not believe that the United Nations is the scarlet colored beast of the bible. Therefore, other religions were not violating their beliefs by associating with the UN. But the witnesses do believe the UN = Scarlet colored beast. So they WTBTS was in violation of it's beliefs in affiliating.

  The problem is that the 'Towerites assume they have the correct understanding of things like the "good news". Working with this conclusion, anyone who interprets it differently would not be preaching the "good news", now would they? So they can get away with saying other religions don't preach the "good news" because they believe they are the only ones who properly understand it.

  No other preachers out there? Really? C'mon, that's ridiculous. What they mean to say is that no one other than witnesses preach witness doctrine. And if you aren't preaching witness interpretations, then you aren't preaching accurately. If you aren't preaching accurately then you must be preaching inaccurately, which is about as good as not preaching at all. So, no one else preaches the kingdom of god, see?
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  OUR LAWYER'S LETTER TO WATCHTOWER & THERE R...

  by ARoarer in

  1. social
  2. current

  when an elder called us to "invite" us to the kh to meet with them to question us regarding accusations of apostasy, while another elder sneakily sat on another line as a "second witness", we, after not being active for several years, having no contact with anyone in the congregation, we felt their phone call was harrassing.

  we called our lawyers who drew up a letter that say:.

  watchtower bibel & tract society.

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  detective

  What jerks! It's smacks of such absurd control freakishness, it's utterly appalling!

  They have said that your attorney can't represent you. But they do not say that your attorney cannot attend. (I suspect they meant to say as much but...) I'd try to bring your attorney along if I were you, even if only as an observer.

  This is interesting because you said in another post that you were filemd for dateline? In which case, this seems like a pre-emptive strike to discredit you before any publicity glare.
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  My wife is going to church!

  by tdogg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not only did i have the fortune of being raised a dub, but i also live in the heart of mormonism, good old slc.

  my wife went to lds church today and says she is going to start going every week.

  aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggghh.

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  detective

  Tdogg,
  you can also try www.exmormon.org