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United Nations Info.

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the bible says that the un will take down religion at some point.. whats interesting is that what the wtbs has said on this subject has stayed the same for many years.

new information came out in the 99 wt, this information has greater more far reaching implications than many really know.. although the wbts may well know the following but not wanting to go out on a limb they have never published this information.. 1) un meditation room- it has a single altar in the middle of the room dag hammarskjold said this about it "it is dedicated to the god whom man worships under many names and in many forms".

the un has a spiritual caucas that meets once a month.

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The Bible says that the UN will take down religion at some point.

Whats interesting is that what the WTBS has said on this subject has stayed the same for many years.

New information came out in the 99 WT, this information has greater more far reaching implications than many really know.

Although the WBTS may well know the following but not wanting to go out on a limb they have never published this information.

1) UN Meditation Room- It has a single altar in the middle of the room Dag hammarskjold said this about it "it is dedicated to the God whom man worships under many names and in many forms". The UN has a spiritual Caucas that meets once a month. Calls have been made for a UN version of religion

2)The Earth Charter an interesting document that can be found at www.earthcharter.org

3)The Ark of Hope which holds a copy of The Earth Charter.

Based on the comments in 99WT the UN will indeed stand in their Holy Place, if they move to control people's spirituality on the basis of needing world peace.

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The Challange of Faith

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i stumbled on this site dong some research, i post now only for those you have not sinned against jehovah's holy spirit, since only jehovah knows this, some value might be taken form this.

i currently serve as the service overseer in my congregation, i have been an elder for over 10 years.. the fundmental issue that challanges every jw faith at some point are the imperfections of the wtbs, & those that take the lead sometimes make huge errors.

as a third generation jw with a huge network of elders, i have heard many bad things about those that take the lead.. some of these have effected myself and my family, this is the test, no different than what job faced, but it is more on the emotional and mental level.

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Why does the discussion on these boards remind me so much of a certain fictional conversation between a certain Evil Sith Lord and a Jedi Knight he was trying to convert to the dark side. The best line "Good is a point of view", and that about sums it up. At the end after the character had gone over to the dark side for selfish reasons, remarked that the good guys were evil from his point of view. Maybe you who know who this fictional character was, his name was Darth Vader.

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The Challange of Faith

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i stumbled on this site dong some research, i post now only for those you have not sinned against jehovah's holy spirit, since only jehovah knows this, some value might be taken form this.

i currently serve as the service overseer in my congregation, i have been an elder for over 10 years.. the fundmental issue that challanges every jw faith at some point are the imperfections of the wtbs, & those that take the lead sometimes make huge errors.

as a third generation jw with a huge network of elders, i have heard many bad things about those that take the lead.. some of these have effected myself and my family, this is the test, no different than what job faced, but it is more on the emotional and mental level.

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For those that spit venom at the GB may I kindly remind you what Jesus said in Matthew 25:40 & 45.

And may I ask have you ever meet these men in person, I have, at least 4 of them. They are nice guys, human and normal, but it has always been clear to me they had Jehovah's Holy Spirit helping them accomplish their assignments. They lead an organzation of over 6 Million, it's impossible to please all the people all the time. The more you do, the more chances at some point you will mess up, and make somebody unhappy.

Also if you dispute bible facts, then really your issue is not with JW's, but with the bible itself. I have 6 different bible's now, and I can teach somebody the truth from every one of them too. I don't think the bible is the issue on most of the post's I am reading, rather the issue is how Jehovah & Jesus despense authority on earth right now. Most seem to disagree on the way it is being done, because it's a flawed system due to imperfection of men, not Jesus who controls the congregations. Jesus and Jehovah move to clean any problems that come up, sadly like the end not coming fast enough, these problems getting fixed sometimes are delayed from our perspective too. Since I have seen the Holy Spirit in action to clean up problems, where there is no chance it's a fluke either. It works, it really does, but you have to give it time to work. Until then one scripture that I always remember is in Hebrews 5:8 "Although he was a son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered". If Jesus had to do it, so do we, these will include all internal tests that we face too. I feel so sad if you have been faced with one that has caused you to "fade". If you can't go to meetings, prayer and bible reading is the start to the way back to spirituality.

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The Challange of Faith

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i stumbled on this site dong some research, i post now only for those you have not sinned against jehovah's holy spirit, since only jehovah knows this, some value might be taken form this.

i currently serve as the service overseer in my congregation, i have been an elder for over 10 years.. the fundmental issue that challanges every jw faith at some point are the imperfections of the wtbs, & those that take the lead sometimes make huge errors.

as a third generation jw with a huge network of elders, i have heard many bad things about those that take the lead.. some of these have effected myself and my family, this is the test, no different than what job faced, but it is more on the emotional and mental level.

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I understand some of the points made.

But I can't ignore these points, if you still believe the fundmentals that you learned when you first learnt the truth.

Each time Jehovah has acted in the past he has had a method of saving his people that were true to him.

The Flood, you had no option but to be on the ark if you wanted to live, agree or disagree that is a fact.

Sodom & Gommorah you had to let those Angels lead you away from the city and not look back, fact.

Passover in Egypt, blood on the door posts for the firstborn to survive,fact.

66 for 70 CE, directions to get out of Jerusalem, fact.

These points really can't be disputed, once again Jehovah will have a channel to save his faithfull people, every other epoch has had saving instructions, we have them through the bible today. But have you ever thought at the most critical time for survival after the Great Trib. breaks out there might be even more coming our way. They will be very tough to accept if we have can't handle earthly direction, by men, who make mistakes all the time. It continues to be, and will always be a challange to individual faith.

We once had CO make us do something our body felt super uncomfortable doing, but we did it, and moved on. Such are the tests of faith Elders face. And sometimes publishers wonder why, Elders do what they do, they(Elders) may argue the point but lose.But in the end a live dog is better off than a dead lion. You can't fall on your sword on principle and still help the brothers & sisters. I get the conscience comment that was made in one post, that's a very tuff one for sure.

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The Challange of Faith

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i stumbled on this site dong some research, i post now only for those you have not sinned against jehovah's holy spirit, since only jehovah knows this, some value might be taken form this.

i currently serve as the service overseer in my congregation, i have been an elder for over 10 years.. the fundmental issue that challanges every jw faith at some point are the imperfections of the wtbs, & those that take the lead sometimes make huge errors.

as a third generation jw with a huge network of elders, i have heard many bad things about those that take the lead.. some of these have effected myself and my family, this is the test, no different than what job faced, but it is more on the emotional and mental level.

truth_be_told

I stumbled on this site dong some research, I post now only for those you have not sinned against Jehovah's Holy Spirit, since only Jehovah knows this, some value might be taken form this.

I currently serve as the service overseer in my congregation, I have been an elder for over 10 years.

The fundmental issue that challanges every JW faith at some point are the imperfections of the WTBS, & those that take the lead sometimes make huge errors. As a third generation JW with a huge network of elders, I have heard many bad things about those that take the lead.

Some of these have effected myself and my family, this is the test, no different than what Job faced, but it is more on the emotional and mental level. You can 't survive as a JW if you can't chalk these things up to imperfection and move on, no matter how devasting they might be.

This is where the problem starts, the Elders represent Jehovah's Soverienty within the congregations, this huge responsibility is abused by some, by interfering in peoples personal lives, it saddens me when this happens, but again it's imperfection. When people dwell on this it destroys faith. I feel bad for people who have been stumbled by those taking the lead, it is truely tragic.

But those that Jehovah has appointed to take the lead in the past have had failing too, look at King David & the Apostle Peter.

This fact remains constant "Men(WBTS) that make huge error/mistakes don't change the truth, it changes how we view the truth"

It makes us resentfull and bitter, but it doesn't change what the truth is, our perpective is changed because of flaws in men, not Jehovah.

The internal test is more deadly than even having to had a purple triange during WWII, certianly it is more successfull, and that is why it is allowed.

It's Job like in this aspect Satan says to Jehovah "as long everything goes good for them within the congregation, they have no reason to leave, let me for a change test them from within, and see if they will stick with you or leave you?" Will you pass this test and challange of faith?

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