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  CO/DO's in the UK?

  by pobthespazz in

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  can anyone compile a list of as many as possible past and present co/do's from the uk?

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  Zico

  'Alan and Diane Fisher (liked a tipple or 10, now removed from circuit work)'
  
  That's interesting, I have some good memories of Alan, but I was about 10 when he was our CO.
  
  Also:
  
  Michael (?) Ganderton
  Colin Bird
  Mark Cossey
  Gordon Watson
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  Here we go again . . . The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

  by cruzanheart in

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  2. beliefs

  i got an email with an audio attachment (haven't listened to it) that's being passed around the witness community.

  here's the written part of it anyway:.

  i just wanted to let you know about an important piece of information i heard first hand, this morning (actually on a recording of a bethel representative giving a talk at the 2007 special day assembly in houston, tx).

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  I find it hard to believe that Afghanistan is the only country in the Middle East without a Witness. What about Iraq and Iran?
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  How many on this board started out here as JWs defending their "faith"?

  by new boy in

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  i left 6 months before i found this place........but if i had found it 15 years ago, i would have been one of those fighting tooth and nail for the watchtower bible & tract society.. i know this board has helped 100's if not thousands of people with the real truth about the organization............ in the face of logic and reason, how could it not!.

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  "Hi all, I have just joined this site after having been visiting as a guest for a few months. I am searching for answers so please be patient with me. A friend of mine in the Congregation has directed me to this site as he has been having doubts about the Organization, though he said he never posts on it. Despite expecting to find nothing of any interest, I've been amazed at some of the things I've read and the fact that this might not actually be 'The Truth.' Whilst I'm not going to deny that there are obvious problems within the Organization, there is, however, one thing I'm having problem understanding, how could people become anointed ones without the holy spirit and Jehovah on the side of the Organization? There's an anointed one in my Congregation, he's been a special pioneer for many years and is the PO of the Congregation. He only became an anointed one a few years ago when an older anointed one in a nearby Congregation became unfaithful. Whilst I understand that you don't need to be from the same area as a former anointed one to replace the anointed one, the fact that it seemed an almost instant change made me think there was a link here, and that this was evidence of Jehovah making sure there would be that an exact 144,000 number of people in heaven. I witnessed first hand the change in this brother's outlook on life once he became 'anointed.' I'd had many conversations before this with him about the paradise, and he was always very excited about the prospect, but after this he had no interest in going to the paradise, and instantly looked forward to a time when he would rule as a king in heaven. As most of you will know, 'The Society' teaches that you are only anointed if you know you are beyond all certainty. The fact that basically all the anointed ones (except the obviously mentally unbalanced ones) have clearly dedicated many, many years to Jehovah, shows they have a real love for Jehovah. I can't believe it's a coincidence that 8000+ people who have dedicated their lives to Jehovah will today be able to believe beyond all certainty that they are anointed. To me it shows that whilst there may be issues with the Organization that need improvement, it still has Jehovah's approval, and it must therefore be the closest religion to having the Truth, even if it does get things wrong sometimes. I would be interested in hearing everyone's thoughts, and I'm willing to listen to everyone. As I said, I'm searching for answers. Thanks."
  
  - Me In April '06. Shocking logic.
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  'I love you'

  by Zico in

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  2. friends

  yesterday, i came to the realisation, that nobody has ever said these words to me, least not that i can remember, which was a temporarily devastating moment for me.

  this began with my father.

  spotting him in front of the tv in his favourite chair, i walked over and came out with the words 'i love you' it felt very weird, because i think it may be the first time i've ever said these words myself, but i'm going to blame my upbringing on this.

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  Zico

  Thanks for all your comments. I'm sure my parents love me really, but I think it's nice to hear those words, so I thought I'd let them know. Because, why not? Still, I do find it fascinating that some people find it so difficult to say those words. If you do love someone, why is it so hard to tell them? I can't understand this. Not that I think refusing to say it means you DON'T love them, I just don't understand why you would refuse?
  
  And that's a great video DB!
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  'I love you'

  by Zico in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yesterday, i came to the realisation, that nobody has ever said these words to me, least not that i can remember, which was a temporarily devastating moment for me.

  this began with my father.

  spotting him in front of the tv in his favourite chair, i walked over and came out with the words 'i love you' it felt very weird, because i think it may be the first time i've ever said these words myself, but i'm going to blame my upbringing on this.

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  Zico

  Yesterday, I came to the realisation, that nobody has ever said these words to me, least not that I can remember, which was a temporarily devastating moment for me. But, rather than wallow in self-pity at the possibility that I'm completely unlovable I chose to take the initiative to try to remedy this situation. This began with my Father. Spotting him in front of the TV in his favourite chair, I walked over and came out with the words 'I love you' It felt very weird, because I think it may be the first time I've ever said these words myself, but I'm going to blame my upbringing on this. My father's response was interesting, after a short silence, which felt like an eternity, and being stared at as if I'd just lost my mind, I decided to end the painful silence by responding to it with 'just thought I'd let you know like' which caused my father to start laughing, who then said 'Alright lad' and then turned back to his TV, which was actually a tad demoralising. However, I was determined not to let my quest end here, after searching out my Mother, who was in her bedroom doing house work, I decided to try again, but this time with a more casual approach: 'Love ya Mum!' After once again receiving the same short 'Have you just lost your mind' look, my Mum responded by saying 'Err... Thanks' Ok, not quite the response I was looking for, but quite a bit better than being laughed at. Next on my journey, I came to my Sister's room. I knocked on her door, and then as she answered and said 'what do you want?' I said 'I've just come to tell you that I love you' After getting that now familiar look, she asked 'Why?' So I told her 'Because I can' I'm not sure she quite got it, but she did respond by saying 'Err... ok, I love you too' So there we are. I think the next step then, should be to try for a hug. Just thought I'd share this story. Have a nice day all!
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  My JW nieghbors and their "demonic" born again landlady

  by lovelylil in

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  some of you may be aware of my ongoing saga on my street.

  my hubby and i own our home which is on a street where one of our ex elders and his family lives.

  actually they are almost directly across the street.

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  Zico

  Hi Lilly, Maybe you can tell the born again landlady all about her JW renters in heaven!
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  Convention Hotels

  by Billzfan23 in

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  2. friends

  i have heard an experience a thousand times (in conversation as well as from the platform) of a person who had a talk on the district convention program that did not stay at a hotel on the recommended lodging list.

  this person was spotted by a fellow conventioner and was asked why he was staying at a hotel that was not on the list and happened to be just across the street from the convention location.

  his reply was that he has a part on the convention and it would be more convenient for him to stay there than use one of the approved hotels.

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  Zico

  Isn't there a committee formed that choose who do the talk? I don't think the Convention Overseer has that power. And I think they'd prefer not to give someone a talk on such short notice at a Convention.
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  Last days, great tribulation and the return of Christ

  by S EIGHT in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my journey out began when i came across a google news report highlighting the "quotes" legal case.

  although i had "questions" prior.

  so that's where i am at the moment although still very "in".

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  Zico

  Hi S8,
  
  I don't think conditions have to worsen before the end comes. I think Jesus was saying that these things will always happen, and not to look for them as a sign as the end. If conditions had to worsen before the end comes, then how could it come like a thief in the night? If things get too bad to continue, we'll be expecting the thief (end) which contradicts the idea that we have no idea when the thief is coming.
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  Rutherites

  by cultswatter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jws are actually rutherites because they follow rutherfords teachings to the letter.

  franz merely backed up whatever rutherford taught.

  it is well known the rutherford was a false prophet.

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  Zico

  'The JWs are actually Rutherites because they follow rutherfords teachings to the letter'
  
  Aren't most of his teachings 'old light' now.
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  Knorr Was He Married? Any Info?

  by uwishufish in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was under the impression that he was married to a fairly attractive woman who was his younger by about 20+ years.

  i heard this from an ex-bethelite.

  just wondered if it was true?

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  Zico

  'Audrey Mock [sp?]. I remember her and her brother, Russell, at Bethel 35 years ago. Knorr refused to allow Charles De Wilda, a Bethelite, to get married, yet he himself bent the rules and married Sister Mock. Charles called Knorr on it, and Knorr made De Wilda's life miserable. Charles left Bethel, became essentially homeless and died, cold, on a park bench. Prior to that sad occurrence, those kindly Bethelites who tried to help the poor man were forbidden by Knorr to offer him any further assistance.'
  
  So he wasn't really that much better than Rutherford was he?