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  Jeptha's Daughter- what actuallyt happened??

  by Kudra in

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  hi all, especially the scholars amongst you ;)a .

  i was listening to richard dawkin's talk at lynchburg va and he was tlaking about how horrible the god of the old testament was- and he mentioned this: .

  that when jeptha's daughter came out (and jeptha had promised god he'd sacrifice the first thing out of his house) that he had to sacrifice her as a burnt offering.

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  Good point(s), LtCmdMore.
  
  -are you actually 17??

  Thank you. And yes I'm 17... Untill the end of April that is. (At which point I can kick my butt into high gear, and hopefully be free of this cult by this time next year.)
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  Jeptha's Daughter- what actuallyt happened??

  by Kudra in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi all, especially the scholars amongst you ;)a .

  i was listening to richard dawkin's talk at lynchburg va and he was tlaking about how horrible the god of the old testament was- and he mentioned this: .

  that when jeptha's daughter came out (and jeptha had promised god he'd sacrifice the first thing out of his house) that he had to sacrifice her as a burnt offering.

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  True avidbiblereader, he does condemn the action of sacrificing children.

  But then again he also said at Ezekial 18:20 that it was wrong to punish the child for the sins of the parent... but that doesn't stop him from doing exactly that in Exodus 20:5 or in 2nd Samuel 12:13-14.

  He also said not to make any idols in Leviticus 26:11 but orders them to make idols in Exodus 25:18.

  Then there's the eye for an eye rule: Which is required in Leviticus 24:17-21 but then condemned in Matthew 5:38-40

  God changes his mind about what is right or wrong quite often acctually. Why would this particular instance be any different?
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  If you had to reincarnate into an animal, which would you like to be?

  by JH in

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  2. friends

  i'd like to be a horse.. i'd have pretty women ride me..... bad bad jh.......

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  Do I get to keep my memories? Or do I start over completely?

  Either way, I'd want to be a monkey. If I get to keep all my memories and knowlege, then I would want to be a monkey. That way I could keep my opposable thumbs, and still be a computer geek.

  If I was reincarnated, in the classic sense, meaning I lose all my memories and such... then I would still want to be a monkey, since I would probably get more protection from the humane society then a mouse for instance.

  My second choice would be an eagle. Flying is awesome.

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  Jeptha's Daughter- what actuallyt happened??

  by Kudra in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi all, especially the scholars amongst you ;)a .

  i was listening to richard dawkin's talk at lynchburg va and he was tlaking about how horrible the god of the old testament was- and he mentioned this: .

  that when jeptha's daughter came out (and jeptha had promised god he'd sacrifice the first thing out of his house) that he had to sacrifice her as a burnt offering.

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  OOOPPPPS, my bad!

  that was a BIG oversight on my part, not a deliberate omission....

  I was basing my conclusion on the scriptures quoted...

  I am totally open to either conclusion, that she was killed in a burnt sacrifice or that she was spared and had to live out her life in servitude.

  I am not a JW apologist, and never will be...just to clarify...

  Sorry. I shouldn't have accused you. I don't normally get so agressive about things.

  It's just that people who deliberately twist scriptures to make god look good, REALLY irk me. (I think the JWs could convince people that Hitler was a hero, if they used the same tactics in discussing him as they do god.)
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  crazyblondeb, grandma died

  by purplesofa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  crazy got word at 3am that her grandma passed away.

  to shelly .

  from purps family.

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  I'm sorry crazy.
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  Jeptha's Daughter- what actuallyt happened??

  by Kudra in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi all, especially the scholars amongst you ;)a .

  i was listening to richard dawkin's talk at lynchburg va and he was tlaking about how horrible the god of the old testament was- and he mentioned this: .

  that when jeptha's daughter came out (and jeptha had promised god he'd sacrifice the first thing out of his house) that he had to sacrifice her as a burnt offering.

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  LtCmd.Lore

  Ok, Im not sure why they think she was burned alive, as this was not even mentioned:

  here is the story from the New International Reader's Version:

  34 Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah. And guess who came out to meet him. It was his daughter! She was dancing to the music of tambourines. She was his only child. He didn't have any other sons or daughters.

  35 When Jephthah saw her, he was so upset that he tore his clothes. He cried out, "My daughter! You have filled me with trouble and sorrow. I've made a promise to the Lord. And I can't break it."

  36 "My father," she replied, "you have given your word to the Lord. So do to me just what you promised to do. The Ammonites were your enemies. And the Lord has paid them back for what they did to you.

  37 "But please do one thing for me," she continued. "Give me two months to wander around in the hills. Let me sob there with my friends. I want to do that because I'll never get married."

  38 "You can go," he said. He let her go for two months. She and her friends went into the hills. They were filled with sadness because she would never get married.

  39 After the two months were over, she returned to her father. He did to her just what he had promised to do. And she was a virgin.

  So that became a practice in Israel. 40 Each year the young women of Israel go away for four days. They do it in honor of the daughter of Jephthah. He was from the land of Gilead.

  If she was to be burned as a sacrifice, she wouldn't be be mourning for her virginity, she would be mourning for her shortened life.

  Just my conclusion.

  Not even mentioned??? Not in the verses you quoted no, but then again you left out this very important verse? (Maybe you missed it, but methinks you deliberately chose to leave it out 'cause you didn't want to deal with it.)

  [30-31: Then Jeph´thah made a vow to Jehovah and said: "If you without fail give the sons of Am´mon into my hand, it must also occur that the one coming out, who comes out of the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the sons of Am´mon, must also become Jehovah’s, and I must offer that one up as a burnt offering."]

  That's pretty straightforward: "O did I say 'burnt offering'? silly me, I acctually meant that I would send her away to work for you..."

  Heck, then why was Abraham so disturbed when god said: "Take, please, your son, your only son whom you love, Isaac, and make a trip to the land or Mo-ri'ah and there offer him up as a burnt offering on one of the mountains that I shall designate to you." I guess that whole burnt offering = something else, was just a common mistake back then.

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  As far as the virginity thing... you know as well as I do that being barren was a HUGE disgrace at that time. That's why Hannah was all hysterical about not having a kid. (Interestingly, when SHE dedicated her child to god, she did not use the phrase 'burnt offering'.)

  Besides, if she still had her whole life ahead of her, then why would she need two months to mourn first? She can be sad, and work at the same time. Two months ain't gonna change anything about your virginity. But if your life is about to end, then two months is worth the world.

  From a god that condones rape, genocide, slavery, animal torture, parents stoning their children, and the eye-for-eye rule why is this account so surprising to you?
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  What would you say to God?

  by gumb in

  1. watchtower
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  what would you say to god?.

  god: is there anything you'd like to say to me?

  god: is there anything you'd like to say to me?

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  Why did you create disease?
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  What are YOU passionate about?

  by lonelysheep in

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  ok, so we all know the wt used to be our passion till that died!.

  what are you passionate about today?

  kids are an automatic, and so are spouses for some people.. i'm referring to your interests that make up the core of you..

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  Video Games, Computers and gadgets.

  My passion is technology.
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  The Tower of Babel... What's up with that?

  by LtCmd.Lore in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  seriously,,, what was gods problem?

  the story of babel bothered me for quite a while.

  after all, satan made a few challenges right?

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  I read that thread, it was pretty good. Thanks for bringing it up.

  Zico: I Couldn't agree more... I dunno, maybe I sympathize with the 'bad guys' too much. Maybe I should make a topic about E'sau next.
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  The Tower of Babel... What's up with that?

  by LtCmd.Lore in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  seriously,,, what was gods problem?

  the story of babel bothered me for quite a while.

  after all, satan made a few challenges right?

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  Who knows, maybe they would have polluted or destroyed the world sooner or invented nukes before Jesus came on the scene???

  Acctually I had thought of that, but since this took place long before God ever made a covenent with Abraham or David there was no reason that he couldn't simply have Jesus apear and die at a different time...

  Only two persons in the Bible are identified as "hunters", Nimrod and Esav, the twin brother of Ya'acov.

  (plus a bunch of stuff about Nimrods name.)

  Saying that E'sau was a bad guy, and he was a hunter, so therefore being a hunter must mean you are a bad guy, thus Nimrod was evil. That's kind of like saying that just because Hitler was evil and he was German, so therefore all Germans are evil. (Notice that god didn't do sqaut about Hitler.)

  Plus, I don't like to judge people by there names... especialy people I can't meet. History is written by the winners, and that story was written by Moses right? So if Nimrod had a nasty name, you can blame Moses, not Nimrod.

  The Bible doesn't say that God screwed things up because he was concerned for the humans. It says that he screwed things up because he knew that they would be able to accomplish anything by cooperating.

  And if he WAS evil, and god was simply preventing a horrible society from forming, would that make it all okay? Here's what the Bible Teach book says about that: (Right after the student vs teacher illustration.)

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  bhchap.11p.112par.16WhyDoesGodAllowSuffering?***

  Second, Jehovah has not helped Satan to rule this world. If God were to prevent horrible crimes, for instance, would he not, in effect, be supporting the case of the rebels? Would God not be making people think that perhaps humans can govern themselves without disastrous results? If Jehovah were to act in that way, he would become party to a lie. However, "it is impossible for God to lie."

  So if Nimrod was an evil leader, then god should NOT have interfered. But if Nimrod was a good leader, then god should NOT have interfered.

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