Posts by DazedAndConfused

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The sob story continues,,,

by Elsewhere in

jw
friends

i think i may have pissed off the gods or something.

;) my luck just turned further south... i just totaled my car.. i was coming around the bend where 360 north exits to the 183 east and west fork in arlington texas.

as i came around, there was suddenly a long line of stopped cars.

DazedAndConfused

I am sorry to hear about your accident and glad to hear that it was minor in injuries.

I would like to recommend something to you as far as getting a new car. My daughter was in an accident 3 months ago and she has had my car all that time. 2 days ago we went "car shopping". ugh I hate car shopping. But it turned out great. We decided to go to a rental car resale place...Budget. I was all prepared to endure all the BS you expect while shopping for a car, but was totally amazed at what happened. The sales people were wonderful and we got her a car for over $2000.00 under Blue Book value. I was interested in another car and before I made a decision I decided to look it up on the internet for the Blue Book value. It was $5,000.00 under. I would never, after this, go to a used car lot or even a dealership again. Budget was wonderful.

Good luck on getting everything squared away, and I hope you feel better soon.

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Improper English in the Watchtower....

by Preston in

machislop posted a quote from a watchtower on a thread that went something like this:.

"....c. t. russell was patently of that governing body back there in the last quarter of the nineteenth century.".

excuse me, but the expression "back there" makes the governing body sound like a bunch of backwood hicks.

DazedAndConfused

It's funny but all the time I was growing up I thought that the WTS had grammar down to a science. I thought it was written in perfect English. In fact my father tries to find things wrong, because he is a perfectionist, and one day he was so excited because he had found a mistake in spelling. Well it turned out the spelling was correct and instead of being disappointed, he was elated because this is part of what proves the Joho's as being right, words coming right from God and all...(puke)

It wasn't until I started coming to this board and copying/printing the quotes did I see a lack of sentance structure. I have found while copying quotes into my MicroSoft Word that it has alerts all over the place regarding sentance structure. I am not sure that it has had "real" spelling errors due to the fact that the J's have their own language...much like many other cult's out there.

Disclaimer:

While I expect that a publishing company should have a complete grasp of the language they are printing in...I however do not have a total grasp. So, don't pick this post apart for grammar. haha

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Anyone from metro Phoenix area?

by stocwach in

specifically the old papago park congregation?

DazedAndConfused

While I am not in the Phoenix area, and don't know locals...I am more than willing to meet up with people living/moving through the area. Email me.

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Child abuse-unbelieveable reason for claims...

by termite 35 in

i had a conversation with a jw on monday and decided to tell them about the child abuse problems that they did'nt know about...it was quite a long conversation that i thought would at least be considered fleetingly due to the probs re the catholic church...but the final parting words were'satan will use anything to discredit 'our' good standing,there will be an increase in this type of report because satan is tryin to dirty our good name.

'so even if their arses are hauled to prison by the thousands, eventually; they'll claim it's a sign of persecution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

the police and courts will probably believe you; but not your congregation...that's the shittiest thing that's ever come out of his mouth.pure denial from a source that knows no facts.. hand me a bucket-i think i'm going to be sick.

DazedAndConfused

It would seem to me that their reporting policy on pedophilia, nevermind outright child abuse would entail a no tolerance policy. But no, they go according to the laws of the land (Ceasar) and no further. Damned be the children involved.

Here is what I found today on the net regarding mandatory reporting of child abuse.

These state MANDATE (up for legal (mis-interpretation) reporting by the clergy (16):

CT, DE, FL, IN, KY, MS, NE, NH, NJ, NM, NC, OH, OK, RI, TN, TX

These states do not list the clergy (19):

AL, AK, AR, CO, DC, GA, HI, IL, IA, KS, LA, MA, MI, NY, SD, VT, VA, WA, WI

These states list the clergy but give enough leeway for not reporting (16):

AZ, CA, ID, ME, MD, MN, MO, MT, NV, ND, OR, PA, SC, UT, WV, WY

These are listed as of December 31, 200 by the U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

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Will silentlambs Be DF???

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

well now we have it, what appears to be the pre-emptive strike from wt.. as of this friday three families who appeared on the dateline program have been informed judicial committees have been setup with a one week notice and it is alleged that they have been causing "divisions" within the organization.

i got my letter today, barbara anderson got hers yesterday and the other family earlier this week.. if you were a pr firm would you think it to be a good idea or a bad idea to df everyone a couple of weeks before the dateline program airs?

what do you think the american public will think of such a move?.

DazedAndConfused

I would love to know the state in which this would be done in. I may be able to be there.

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Will silentlambs Be DF???

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

well now we have it, what appears to be the pre-emptive strike from wt.. as of this friday three families who appeared on the dateline program have been informed judicial committees have been setup with a one week notice and it is alleged that they have been causing "divisions" within the organization.

i got my letter today, barbara anderson got hers yesterday and the other family earlier this week.. if you were a pr firm would you think it to be a good idea or a bad idea to df everyone a couple of weeks before the dateline program airs?

what do you think the american public will think of such a move?.

DazedAndConfused

Bill, one thing that Dateline does is to do a "follow up" type of thing at the end of some of their broadcasts to let the viewers see certain aspects of them running the story. I would let them know what is being done right now and send them a copy of the letter sent to you by the elders. I'm sure that if any of you get disfellowshipped, it would make for a very interesting ending. On the same note though, them showing the letters that have been sent would have about the same effect.

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MUST CLERGY REPORT ABUSE IN YOUR STATE?

by outnfree in

jw
friends

in another thread, dungbeetle had the great idea that we should become activists at least in our own states (if not in all the states which do not require reporting) for mandatory clergy child abuse reporting.. watchtower has said that the elders will be ordered to report abuse in a clergy-mandated-reporting state.

so why don't we do this...someone put up a list of all the remaining states that do not have this rule, and we start working on the legislators of those states to implement this rule or some version of it, and to close the loopholes and strengthen any existing rules.

it will solve one problem that i can see.

DazedAndConfused

Senators of the 107th Congress

AK
Murkowski, Frank (R)
Stevens, Ted (R)
AL
Sessions, Jeff (R)
Shelby, Richard (R)
AR
Hutchinson, Tim (R)
Lincoln, Blanche (D)
AZ
Kyl, Jon (R)
McCain, John (R)
CA
Boxer, Barbara (D)
Feinstein, Dianne (D)
CO
Allard, Wayne (R)
Campbell, Ben Nighthorse (R)
CT
Dodd, Christopher (D)
Lieberman, Joseph (D)
DE
Biden Jr, Joseph (D)
Carper, Thomas (D)
FL
Graham, Bob (D)
Nelson, Bill (D)
GA
Cleland, Max (D)
Miller, Zell (D)
HI
Akaka, Daniel (D)
Inouye, Daniel (D)
IA
Grassley, Chuck (R)
Harkin, Tom (D)
ID
Craig, Larry (R)
Crapo, Mike (R)
IL
Durbin, Richard (D)
Fitzgerald, Peter (R)
IN
Lugar, Richard (R)
Bayh, Evan (D)
KS
Brownback, Sam (R)
Roberts, Pat (R)
KY
McConnell, Mitch (R)
Bunning, Jim (R)
LA
Breaux, John (D)
Landrieu, Mary (D)
MA
Kennedy, Edward (D)
Kerry, John (D)
MD
Mikulski, Barbara (D)
Sarbanes, Paul (D)
ME
Collins, Susan (R)
Snowe, Olympia (R)
MI
Levin, Carl (D)
Stabenow, Debbie (D)
MN
Dayton, Mark (D)
Wellstone, Paul (D)
MO
Bond, Christopher (R)
Carnahan, Jean (D)
MS
Cochran, Thad (R)
Lott, Trent (R)
MT
Baucus, Max (D)
Burns, Conrad (R)
NC
Helms, Jesse (R)
Edwards, John (D)
ND
Dorgan, Byron (D)
Conrad, Kent (D)
NE
Hagel, Charles (R)
Nelson, Ben (D)
NH
Gregg, Judd (R)
Smith, Bob (R)
NJ
Torricelli, Robert (D)
Corzine, Jon (D)
NM
Bingaman, Jeff (D)
Domenici, Pete (R)
NV
Reid, Harry (D)
Ensign, John (R)
NY
Schumer, Charles (D)
Clinton, Hillary (D)
OH
DeWine, Mike (R)
Voinovich, George (R)
OK
Inhofe, James (R)
Nickles, Don (R)
OR
Smith, Gordon (R)
Wyden, Ron (D)
PA
Santorum, Rick (R)
Specter, Arlen (R)
RI
Chafee, Lincoln (R)
Reed, Jack (D)
SC
Thurmond, Strom (R)
Hollings, Ernest (D)
SD
Daschle, Thomas (D)
Johnson, Tim (D)
TN
Frist, William (R)
Thompson, Fred (R)
TX
Gramm, Phil (R)
Hutchison, Kay Bailey (R)
UT
Bennett, Robert (R)
Hatch, Orrin (R)
VA
Warner, John (R)
Allen, George (R)
VT
Jeffords, James (I)
Leahy, Patrick (D)
WA
Murray, Patty (D)
Cantwell, Maria (D)
WI
Feingold, Russell (D)
Kohl, Herb (D)
WV
Byrd, Robert (D)
Rockefeller IV, John (D)
WY
Enzi, Mike (R)
Thomas, Craig (R)

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MUST CLERGY REPORT ABUSE IN YOUR STATE?

by outnfree in

jw
friends

in another thread, dungbeetle had the great idea that we should become activists at least in our own states (if not in all the states which do not require reporting) for mandatory clergy child abuse reporting.. watchtower has said that the elders will be ordered to report abuse in a clergy-mandated-reporting state.

so why don't we do this...someone put up a list of all the remaining states that do not have this rule, and we start working on the legislators of those states to implement this rule or some version of it, and to close the loopholes and strengthen any existing rules.

it will solve one problem that i can see.

DazedAndConfused

I was talking to my husband about this and he said that what we need to do is to contact the Senator for our state and try to get something passed on the Federal level. As we can see, doing it state by state leaves a lot to be desired. I will look up state Senators and see if I can find a list.

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MUST CLERGY REPORT ABUSE IN YOUR STATE?

by outnfree in

jw
friends

in another thread, dungbeetle had the great idea that we should become activists at least in our own states (if not in all the states which do not require reporting) for mandatory clergy child abuse reporting.. watchtower has said that the elders will be ordered to report abuse in a clergy-mandated-reporting state.

so why don't we do this...someone put up a list of all the remaining states that do not have this rule, and we start working on the legislators of those states to implement this rule or some version of it, and to close the loopholes and strengthen any existing rules.

it will solve one problem that i can see.

DazedAndConfused

This is what I am getting from what I read from the .pdf file:

These state MANDATE reporting by the clergy (16):

CT, DE, FL, IN, KY, MS, NE, NH, NJ, NM, NC, OH, OK, RI, TN, TX

These states do not list the clergy (19):

AL, AK, AR, CO, DC, GA, HI, IL, IA, KS, LA, MA, MI, NY, SD, VT, VA, WA, WI

These states list the clergy but give enough leeway for not reporting (16):

AZ, CA, ID, ME, MD, MN, MO, MT, NV, ND, OR, PA, SC, UT, WV, WY

These are listed as of December 31, 200 by the U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

To go and see what is written about your particular state, go to:

* http://www.calib.com/nccanch/pubs/stats01/mandrep.pdf

My understanding as a layperson may be a bit off so if you check your own state you may find it is written differently than what I understood it to be. And also this is from 2000. I don’t know if things have changed since then either. I will check some more.

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MUST CLERGY REPORT ABUSE IN YOUR STATE?

by outnfree in

jw
friends

in another thread, dungbeetle had the great idea that we should become activists at least in our own states (if not in all the states which do not require reporting) for mandatory clergy child abuse reporting.. watchtower has said that the elders will be ordered to report abuse in a clergy-mandated-reporting state.

so why don't we do this...someone put up a list of all the remaining states that do not have this rule, and we start working on the legislators of those states to implement this rule or some version of it, and to close the loopholes and strengthen any existing rules.

it will solve one problem that i can see.

DazedAndConfused

I found a page that has all of the states listed and what their requirements are as of December of 2000. The only problem is, I can't figure out how to copy it so I can cut and paste the important information. There are 50 pages and most of it we don't need. Does anyone know how to copy from an Adobe .pdf file?