http://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .
http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618
sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.
This is painful to listen to. I will endeavor to acquire some software to perform the filtering. From the sounds of it, applying a low-pass filter to it should remove most of the noise, then the remainder should be normalized. I believe this could make it sound very clear.
If someone else manages to do this, please post here so I can stop trying.
hmm y'know, I don't think any woman has EVER pulled that "if you don't know I'm not gonna tell you" kind of crap with me. Never myself played nor had to deal with any kind of mind games.
Supposedly the main difference between men and women is that women are better at "literary" or communication-oriented tasks, while men have the advantage in spatial relations (solving 3-D problems, for example).
i am not a jehovah's witness.
i am a physician, training in pathology.
in that capacity, it is my duty to perform autopsies on patients who die in the hospital where i work.
As for the law, you're supposed to know that better than we are. As for ethics, same answer. Don't you have to take a medical ethics course?
Personally, I wouldn't even bother trying to determine the church's position on the matter, it's irrelevant. Your job is your job and the law is the law, and the church's opinion is, well, irrelevant.
ok, its happened again!
but not to me this time, my 12 year old son.. last night he fell asleep on the couch, so i left him there and went to bed.
he wolk up about 3 am, and walked upstairs to his bedroom.
ButtLight: you say you only fight back when attacked, but when did I attack you? It could be argued that I attacked your claim but I don't recall attacking you. Perhaps this is poor memory on my part, an unfortunate side effect of my misspent youth, perhaps not. Please explain.
When I said you should go tell a doctor not us, I was not implying that we don't care or that it was inappropriate for you to post here. If anything, I was implying that there's probably noone on this board qualified to give you sound answers.
Plus, there's the claim itself: You claim to have seen unexplained lights moving around. You claim that your child or children are also seeing things that probably aren't really there. Many mental disorders are hereditary, see the possible connection?
Why should it seem wrong of me to suggest seeking professional advice? This could be nothing, or it could be something, personally I doubt you'll be able to find out with reasonable certainty if you don't explore all possible avenues, including speaking to a doctor.
In fact, I believe it would have been negligence on my part NOT to have suggested that.
say, for example, you ask a jw about the book of genesis, and about the seven days, we all know what they say, that it's in "god time" which means 1 day = 7000 years, by their reckoning.
does this particular argument have any validity?
to me it seems like an "escape hatch", a tool to explain away what one could call certain "irregularities" in the bible.. they seem to think they can cross-reference any one part of the bible with any other as serves their ideological agenda.
thanks Shaz that makes a lot of sense. helps a lot.
ok, its happened again!
but not to me this time, my 12 year old son.. last night he fell asleep on the couch, so i left him there and went to bed.
he wolk up about 3 am, and walked upstairs to his bedroom.
you seem to have missed my point, and that was "experiencing" it doesn't make it so, regardless of whether you're sober or not, regardless of whether or not you're mentally ill. And as for these so-called "group paranormal experiences" there are many plausible (and parsimonious) explanations available, one need only take one's pick.
just because you or anyone else claims to have seen or heard something paranormal is essentially dismissable simply because 1) there is no evidence, just your claim, 2) the claim is extraordinary, and extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence to even be worth considering at face value.
I believe people truly believe the things they think they see and hear. It's probably especially convincing when you don't remember popping a tab a couple of hours earlier, but that doesn't make it "true". That doesn't bring it into the realm of things we can assume really happened, and talk about meaningfully.
ButtLight: your blatant condescension is duly noted. ad hominem attacks like that are usually a sign of someone arguing from a very weak position.
Moving right along, if you see lights on things and there is no possible source of light to cause it, you might consider describing this to a doctor and not us. Especially if your son is also experiencing what could very well be schizophrenic hallucinations. I mean you no insult by this, I sincerely do think you should look into this possibility.
say, for example, you ask a jw about the book of genesis, and about the seven days, we all know what they say, that it's in "god time" which means 1 day = 7000 years, by their reckoning.
does this particular argument have any validity?
to me it seems like an "escape hatch", a tool to explain away what one could call certain "irregularities" in the bible.. they seem to think they can cross-reference any one part of the bible with any other as serves their ideological agenda.
LOL
Ok, point made, maybe the JW doctrine isn't worth analyzing in and of itself, but keep in mind I'm trying to deprogram some loved ones, I need to know what's going on in their damaged minds.
say, for example, you ask a jw about the book of genesis, and about the seven days, we all know what they say, that it's in "god time" which means 1 day = 7000 years, by their reckoning.
does this particular argument have any validity?
to me it seems like an "escape hatch", a tool to explain away what one could call certain "irregularities" in the bible.. they seem to think they can cross-reference any one part of the bible with any other as serves their ideological agenda.
Say, for example, you ask a JW about the book of genesis, and about the seven days, we all know what they say, that it's in "god time" which means 1 day = 7000 years, by their reckoning. Does this particular argument have any validity? To me it seems like an "escape hatch", a tool to explain away what one could call certain "irregularities" in the bible.
They seem to think they can cross-reference any one part of the bible with any other as serves their ideological agenda. I say, the bible has enough stuff in it to say just about anything you want to say with it.
And what's with the new covenant? The stuff I've seen seems to say that JWs (along with many other similar cult groups) have had "grace" kept from them. In what doctrinal manner are JWs being denied the grace of the second covenant? They certainly show the symptoms of this, the paranoia, the legalism, the excessive quantites of rules to follow, the marginalization of jesus in favor of the borg, in fact many say they are not even really christian.. can someone explain this to me a little better?
ok, its happened again!
but not to me this time, my 12 year old son.. last night he fell asleep on the couch, so i left him there and went to bed.
he wolk up about 3 am, and walked upstairs to his bedroom.
Experiences are highly overrated. One time I experienced seeing very intricate geometric patterns rotating around, then multiple faces, hot dogs, you name it. And the whole time I had my eyes closed.
So how could I have this experience if my eyes were closed? I'm not too sure, but I think it had something to do with the LSD I had taken earlier. Just a guess.
Experiences are worthless if there's no concrete evidence to back them up.
ok, its happened again!
but not to me this time, my 12 year old son.. last night he fell asleep on the couch, so i left him there and went to bed.
he wolk up about 3 am, and walked upstairs to his bedroom.
sheesh I'm somewhat disturbed that some of you are actually entertaining this ghost/demon business.
They don't exist! Really!
