If so don't you think Canadians are wise to be concerned that their leaders are determined not to repeat the mistakes of other countries?
This is the simple issue jacobi is trying to skirt around not addressing
curious what the canadian take is on all this .
i also understand he compared islamic state terrorists to greek, vietnamese & italian migrants?
that one i haven't confirmed yet but sounds wacky if true.
If so don't you think Canadians are wise to be concerned that their leaders are determined not to repeat the mistakes of other countries?
This is the simple issue jacobi is trying to skirt around not addressing
curious what the canadian take is on all this .
i also understand he compared islamic state terrorists to greek, vietnamese & italian migrants?
that one i haven't confirmed yet but sounds wacky if true.
About "right wing" and "Islamic": I agree, Islamic dictatorships are incredibly right-wing insofar they are political. What I meant by "right-wing" is how the term is traditionally understood in a western context, i.e. nationalistic movements with different elements of white supremacy/fascism.
Islamic dictatorships? I don't think you understand anything you are talking about. Islamism is not JUST a religious idea someone has. Its a system of belief, military, and theocracy. Islam is nationalistic by its very nature and its anti-democracy. You are trying to weave in some kind of separation like the Islam just got itself in trouble with a corrupt leader. That isn't the case, the ideology breeds the problem and creates the leadership.
As far as Canada and terrorism, sorry I took the global approach, so you are right, let's go back to Canada. Again you are putting your own interpretation on the man's question to Turd-deau. Was he talking about an act of terrorism falling on his children by the government inviting back ISIS fighters? Could it just be rape? Or any kind of mistreatment by a group of people who literally are pedophiles and have no regard for female or infidel life? It's not just TERRORISM as we try to define it. Its the hatred of the things that make Canada decent.
You claim it is absurd to compare right-wing terrorism with the "global cancer" of fundamental Islam, but I made no such comparison: I specifically focused on terrorism in Canada, not globally.
Again, as I said, the issue goes beyond a simple act of terrorism, that is what YOU are trying to make the discussion about, it was about jihadists being welcomed back, not any specific terrorist acts they may or may not commit.
"Are there large groups of "right-wing" countries currently perpetuating slavery, the murder of apostates, atheists, homosexuals etc?"
My answer is no, but I cannot help but notice the word "currently" which is doing important work in that sentence.
Oh brother... smh
What bloody difference can that make? It's not happening and it's not heading there. The biggest thing in our day and age that is pouring gasoline on any kind of right-wing nationalism fire, is the further our institutions (politics, media, and universities) go off the far left wing rails. But I have faith in the center to never let that happen, unless the radical left keeps censoring intellectuals it will just come down to the two looney tune groups fighting it out.
curious what the canadian take is on all this .
i also understand he compared islamic state terrorists to greek, vietnamese & italian migrants?
that one i haven't confirmed yet but sounds wacky if true.
Why is terrorism perpetrated by Muslims (or potentially perpetraded by Muslims) in Canada recieving so much more attention and concern on this thread than terrorism perpetrated by right-wing terrorists?
It's an oversimplification to reduce and isolate problems with Islam to terrorism.
In general, the ideas of Islam go headlong against western values, and the problem is not isolated to a single country. Check out the website "religion of peace". Far right events can't hold a candle to the global suppression and atrocities of this one ideology. It's not a terrorism issue exclusively, its a politically motivated movement to conflate being Muslim with some kind of global oppression by western values of white males. This overreaction that results censorship of criticism of Islam.
It's been said on here many times, with Judeo-Christian system you have the moderates at the core of the belief system and the radicals on the fringe, whereas with Islam if you are moderate YOU ARE THE FRINGE. The radicals are at the core beliefs and values. But for no other reasons other than politics, leaders like Trudeau swing way out into left field to appear Islam friendly.
Are there large groups of "right-wing" countries currently perpetuating slavery, the murder of apostates, atheists, homosexuals etc? Are they just now giving women in some of them the right to drive?
So its just not incidents, its far larger and far more complex, and for people like Trudeau to pretend that facts don't exist and hope wins of reality, it causes divides. Trying to compare right-wing terrorism with the glocal cancer of fundamental Islam is outstandingly absurd.
And by the way, why would you not consider Muslim jihadists to be right-wing terrorists? They base their life on bronze age theology that swings them further right than most Christian fundies, think about what you are saying.
curious what the canadian take is on all this .
i also understand he compared islamic state terrorists to greek, vietnamese & italian migrants?
that one i haven't confirmed yet but sounds wacky if true.
Number quoted by Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale
curious what the canadian take is on all this .
i also understand he compared islamic state terrorists to greek, vietnamese & italian migrants?
that one i haven't confirmed yet but sounds wacky if true.
I,m convinced governments won't take risks.
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priceless, thank you, better than I had hoped even!
ladies and gentlemen, there you have it
curious what the canadian take is on all this .
i also understand he compared islamic state terrorists to greek, vietnamese & italian migrants?
that one i haven't confirmed yet but sounds wacky if true.
But there are known individuals
Goodale said there are between 180 and 190 with a connection to Canada that they know have travelled to Syria and Iraq, among other locations.
As well, there are roughly 60 foreign fighters who have returned to Canada, about the same number as two years ago.
There is a difficulty when you don't know
curious what the canadian take is on all this .
i also understand he compared islamic state terrorists to greek, vietnamese & italian migrants?
that one i haven't confirmed yet but sounds wacky if true.
As its known there are dire consequences (ie. France) when you are too openly liberal to people's inherent religious beliefs
True, although I fully support all religious beliefs, banning beliefs is no good. That being said, I don't think its wrong to monitor those who hold radical or questionable beliefs and practices and punish them without it being called racism. Also if someone joined ISIS the last thing they deserve is reintegration, they should be reintegrated into the dirt
curious what the canadian take is on all this .
i also understand he compared islamic state terrorists to greek, vietnamese & italian migrants?
that one i haven't confirmed yet but sounds wacky if true.
Ruby456
I know you won't answer the question straightforward or intellectually, but here it goes anyway...
Yes or no, do you think it is wise for Canada to 'reintegrate' anyone who got on a plane to fight for ISIS and watched as allied soldiers were burned to death in a cage, who got on a plane to go to fight for an organization that sells women and girls into slavery, people who left Canada to fight for a group of people who push homosexuals off buildings just for being gay?
Just keep in mind, this is not about ISIS member sliding back in amongst immigrants, but knowingly being reintegrated, and regardless of them committing a terrorist attack on Canada or not, you are knowingly letting some of the most atrocious people on earth off the hook. It's about the leader of an entire country inviting ISIS terrorists/criminals who fought against their country and western values with the promise of reintegration services to help them,”
Canada:
lmao
curious what the canadian take is on all this .
i also understand he compared islamic state terrorists to greek, vietnamese & italian migrants?
that one i haven't confirmed yet but sounds wacky if true.
There are two forces at play in politics and belief, without naming the sides in typical fashion, let's just say one is on its extreme is being driven by "hope" and the other on its extreme "fear". If you go too far into either of these its a problem, the goal should be to be centric and based on reality. This reintegrating of ISIS jihadists, to me is the swinging too far to the "hope" side. Hope is a beautiful thing and we should always temper it with some level of realism. Its the same with fear, fear can lead to terrible things with humans and atrocities, still, a realistic, healthy amount, should be involved in your policy.
For instance, maybe you are living the fantasy land of Narnia if you think you can just hope away the fact that these ISIS fighters cling to extremely ignorant and dangerous ideas completely at odds with all of our western values, then proceed accordingly.
curious what the canadian take is on all this .
i also understand he compared islamic state terrorists to greek, vietnamese & italian migrants?
that one i haven't confirmed yet but sounds wacky if true.
What is the dark intellectual web? I never heard this phrase before. Can I have a few URLs so I can see where you are coming from?
That was a phrase just recently coined by Eric Weinstein about a growing group of people having open discussions, they have varied ideas, and philosophies, but the one thing they all share is that they are for free speech and open discussion. Most are labeled alt right now, even some who are definitely liberal in political compass. Its a movement. Some of the people I would say that are spearheading it and have been demonized by the authoritarians and embraced by people tired of being over censored are:
Dave Rubin
Sam Harris
Eric & Bret Weinstein
Jordan Peterson
Joe Rogan
Ben Shapiro
and many more
They have some fascinating conversations, Agree or disagree with what they say, they ask the right questions and keep discussions going. For instance, in most every way, Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris are at odds, but they have the willingness to have the discussions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ekHVXkkcCM
“Everything is up in the air right now from our political institutions, from the to our educational institutions to our media institutions. If the dial of ideas was turned on low for the last few years it is quickly moving into the hot position.”