Posts by freemindfade

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Trump and the MEMO

by ducatijoe in

those of us here wasting our time trying to show who trump really is .... it's like trying to reason with all those still in the organization.

they have found a new person to fill their heads with lies and control they way they think.

in many ways this ts amazing to me.. i am out of the wbts and free.

freemindfade

not fall for tribal ideology again

Please codify Trump ideology?

The very act of calling yourself a democrat or a republican is already teetering on the edge of the spiral, though perhaps if you are judicious enough, you can keep your level of sanity above water. Once you have committed yourself to the in-group, you will feel the inner pressure to conform, to defend your team, to buy into the alternate reality, to excuse the inexcusable, to fail to see the wrong when it's wrong, and failing to see the right when it's right.

I agree with that wholeheartedly and I am constantly against partisan thinking, I find the leadership of both parties to be shitweasels on the same level. I just happen to see now a great emergence (especially since Hillary lost) of a totalitarian left, the right just seems to be their business as usual.

My point again is no one discusses things on a policy level (extracted from tribal "sides"). Or individual philosophical ideas. If you don't agree with the leftists (current flavor of the day) view of Immigration policy you are "a racist, bigot, xenophobe, trump supporter, trump ideologue". Even if those ideas do not BELONG to Trump, but a deeper core concept that immigration should be more responsible. Simple, not complicated. You should be able to agree or disagree with anyone in either tribe on principles and values, when you give up that, you have crossed the groupthink line.

Based on my personality in tests, I am far more inclined to be liberal, but this modern left movement is not liberal, its anti-liberty and moving swiftly toward being totalitarian in nature.

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Trump and the MEMO

by ducatijoe in

those of us here wasting our time trying to show who trump really is .... it's like trying to reason with all those still in the organization.

they have found a new person to fill their heads with lies and control they way they think.

in many ways this ts amazing to me.. i am out of the wbts and free.

freemindfade

They have found a new person to fill their heads with lies and control the way they think. In many ways, this is amazing to me.

I think you may be overstating this by assuming that anyone who supports trump, or even defends some of what he does or says as blindly following and agreeing with everything about him. I really don't see that. if for instance, he speaks of acts to a core value that made this country a success over its history, why does that have to be bad JUST because he is speaking it? To me, that is more biased and blind way of thinking than anything.

You can't cut through the nonsense and take everything on its own merit, it's just all good or all bad, that makes no sense. Black and white, good and evil us and them.

Trump talking about "clean coal" immediately sent off red bullshit flags in my head, and I said it as soon as he spoke those words. But when he is talking about showing respect and care for our military and our civil liberties, I have to agree with that! Its a value I have, and you probably have too.

I think the problem is the center, and a good part of the current right, are not expecting a perfect world, a utopian dreamland of fairness and equity. Study history, this only leads one place. I really don't see people accepting trump as all good, all knowing and all great, even his most ardent supporters, I think they just want to see outcomes. As mentioned time and again, the identity politics of the left gave birth to a pretty large group of people hiring a bully to punch back. You all act like the same country that elected Trump is not the same country that elected Obama... twice!! Clearly, there was great hope in Obama, and great disappointment as well by the end with the Democrats doubling down on the disappointing stuff and losing touch. They are more responsible for Trump than anything! thank the DNC, thank Hillary, Schummer and I don't see them trying to fix whats broken as we edge towards 2020

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Trump and the MEMO

by ducatijoe in

those of us here wasting our time trying to show who trump really is .... it's like trying to reason with all those still in the organization.

they have found a new person to fill their heads with lies and control they way they think.

in many ways this ts amazing to me.. i am out of the wbts and free.

freemindfade

By now, using "cult mentality," "you're still mentally in the Organization," or "you're in a cult" snark to defuse counter-arguments is a stupid person's tactic.
It's only deployed by dumb, shallow thinking people who don't have a lot to go on other than their depressive insecure feelings and the toll that being rudderless antisocial ex-cult members have taken on them.

Image result for morgan freeman he's right meme

The vitriol anti-trump rhetoric on here displays a lazy approach to debate, even though most all of us share the same core values, I see little addressing and disagreement in the range of values to policy. Trump is called, Hitler, he's called stupid, I understand all the reasons he's unlikable but these types of claims are lazy, ignorant hyperbole. You should just think he is these things because we do without backing them up with any facts. There is plenty to fault trump on, try to be rational about it.

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Trump and the MEMO

by ducatijoe in

those of us here wasting our time trying to show who trump really is .... it's like trying to reason with all those still in the organization.

they have found a new person to fill their heads with lies and control they way they think.

in many ways this ts amazing to me.. i am out of the wbts and free.

freemindfade

Trump can be polarizing, but the most divisive crack in our country is identity politics being pushed into hyperdrive by leftists over the last few years. Everyone thinks Trump gave some rise to the other side of the identity political spectrum, the alt-right, but the alt-right is actually a cause and effect reaction to the incessant identity obsession of the left. Trump may be provocative, but the ugly face of white nationalism we can thank the socialist, dipsh*ttery of the left.

It's a natural process (not saying its right) & pushback that is inevitable when taking on this stupid Idea that people should be judged based on immutable characteristics, which is WRONG WRONG WRONG ALWAYS WRONG! White nationalists didn't start an uprising, this nonsense over the last few years spawned from BLM, womens marches with no purpose, and thinking that we should just open up the boards, it creating a polar effect that is not good. Identity politics is not right, the left fired the first shots, now the right has its idiots stepping up and it's going to be bad because they have a lot more guns.

The fight between this alt-left and alt right is not good for anyone, but it wasn't Trump, sorry kids. If you really want to take an objective look you will realize the uprising of this insane left that is anything but liberal and progressive anymore, has created the crack that Trump came out of, and the alt-right.

The politically correct, triggered, group over individual has screwed things up more than Trump could on his own, don't give him that much credit

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What I Learned in the Peace Corps in Africa: Trump Is Right

by pseudoxristos in

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my first thought when seeing this headline was; "how could trump be right?

" even though i am registered as a republican, i don't really care for trump.

after reading the article, i still don't care for trump, but i had never considered many of the points brought out by the article.. january 17, 2018. what i learned in the peace corps in africa: trump is right.

freemindfade

I know that sticks in the throat of some to admit that Trump can actually do positive things but so far he is killing it in a way that Obama never came close.

Bottom line Trump is a fighter, not a politician, and the fact that he can be offensive is the worst sin imaginable now in this era of "speech is violence". In the now internet famous exchange between Jordan Peterson and Cathy Newman, he finally said what so many of us think,

“In order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive,”

This new culture we have of speech is violence, victimhood is everywhere, equity of outcome is paramount, and identity politics is going to put us on the fast track to a dystopian shitshow that has been laid out time and again in literature and history as a massive failure.

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What I Learned in the Peace Corps in Africa: Trump Is Right

by pseudoxristos in

jw
friends

my first thought when seeing this headline was; "how could trump be right?

" even though i am registered as a republican, i don't really care for trump.

after reading the article, i still don't care for trump, but i had never considered many of the points brought out by the article.. january 17, 2018. what i learned in the peace corps in africa: trump is right.

freemindfade

Question: Why would the Romans torture & kill 10's if not 100's of thousands of people who chose to belong to an ideology that they themselves "engineered"?

*sigh*

ok... you are talking about what I would essentially consider a myth.

Just like most all of the "Jesus" story and everything associated with it, it was written later on to give substance to "fake news".

For instance, Tacitus a Roman Historian who wrote about the persecutions of the early “Christians”...these writings supporting the persecution were mysteriously found in the 15th century in the forests of Germany, following a reward offered by Leo X for old writings, and following a history of forgeries in Catholicism.

There are actually a lot of other references we could talk about for days on here to the myth of Christian persecution as you describe it. You are also assuming early Christian cults pre-Constantine are what we consider "Christian" today, what a very JW thing to think lol.

Whatever Christians were before Constantine, there was likely no great state-sponsored persecution as you claim, and the form that Christianity took post-Constantine (today as we know it), was an exercise in propaganda for political reasons.

can you imagine, someone lying for political reasons and making up stories???

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What I Learned in the Peace Corps in Africa: Trump Is Right

by pseudoxristos in

jw
friends

my first thought when seeing this headline was; "how could trump be right?

" even though i am registered as a republican, i don't really care for trump.

after reading the article, i still don't care for trump, but i had never considered many of the points brought out by the article.. january 17, 2018. what i learned in the peace corps in africa: trump is right.

freemindfade

Negative on that, did not serve

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What I Learned in the Peace Corps in Africa: Trump Is Right

by pseudoxristos in

jw
friends

my first thought when seeing this headline was; "how could trump be right?

" even though i am registered as a republican, i don't really care for trump.

after reading the article, i still don't care for trump, but i had never considered many of the points brought out by the article.. january 17, 2018. what i learned in the peace corps in africa: trump is right.

freemindfade

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What I Learned in the Peace Corps in Africa: Trump Is Right

by pseudoxristos in

jw
friends

my first thought when seeing this headline was; "how could trump be right?

" even though i am registered as a republican, i don't really care for trump.

after reading the article, i still don't care for trump, but i had never considered many of the points brought out by the article.. january 17, 2018. what i learned in the peace corps in africa: trump is right.

freemindfade

Christian fundamentalism = Islamic fundamentalism.

This may be one of the stupidest things I've heard on here... amazing.

Christianity was likely an engineered ideology of the Romans to create a religion that held elements of the past Jewish religion mixed with pagan religions and promoted pacifism for a reason.

Turn the other cheek

Love your neighbor

Pay your taxes!

The fundies on Christianity are on the fringe, the fundies in Islam are the whole center. It's so simple. You can't excuse Christianity from its own flaws, but you can't compare it to a religion that venerates a pedophile warlord.

please.....

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The FISA Memo, To Release Or Not To Release

by freemindfade in

was the doj, nsa, and fbi weaponized?

the biggest scandal of this era, or a false alarm by the gop?

i am skeptical what will come of it, however, some very strong reactions and words are coming from its existence and those who read it, also the fight to keep it secret is telling (reminds me of any cult trying to prevent people from reading damaging information).

freemindfade

Will anything come of this? What do you think is in it?

Was the DOJ, NSA, and FBI weaponized?

The biggest scandal of this era, or a false alarm by the GOP?

I am skeptical what will come of it, however, some very strong reactions and words are coming from its existence and those who read it, also the fight to keep it secret is telling (reminds me of any cult trying to prevent people from reading damaging information).