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  Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

  by freemindfade in

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  i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

  but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

  constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

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  Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

  by freemindfade in

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  i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

  but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

  constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

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  Now people everywhere on social media are taking a knee and virtue posting pics. So are they doing it for the police brutality? Nope. Its like I said in the OP they are protesting the fact people criticize the protest. Ridiculous
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  Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

  by freemindfade in

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  i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

  but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

  constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

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  The players and everyone have to keep explaining how people shouldn't be offended because it's not disrespectful to the flag, anthem or veterans. ok... if you have to keep explaining why YOU think it's not disrespectful, maybe you have chosen a piss poor medium for protesting. The message is not clear, it's not clear what they are protesting game to game, or what the actual meaning is of kneeling during the anthem, it's all up to interpretation, that's why it's a big mess.

  So some football player has to keep explaining to people it offends that it's not supposed to be offensive, then what is it suppose to be??? Without being provocative whats the point? Sacrifice something, refuse to play and get paid, how about that? Or just call it what it is, giving the finger to an America.
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  Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

  by freemindfade in

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  i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

  but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

  constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

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  Sir are facts racist? because they say this is a totally false narrative?
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  Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

  by freemindfade in

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  i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

  but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

  constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

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  Protests are designed to draw attention to an issue.
  By that metric, it is a tremendous success.

  Which issue? Police brutality? Social Injustice? Racism? Trump? People who think the protest itself is in bad taste? Or some other flavor of the week?

  By your metric, it's actually a failure because it's totally unclear.
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  Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

  by freemindfade in

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  i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

  but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

  constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

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  I found it interesting one sponsor that dropped a player. Brandon Marshall. Also, i thought their response was good.

  Although we have enjoyed Brandon Marshall as our spokesperson over the past five months, Air Academy Federal Credit Union (AAFCU) has ended our partnership. AAFCU is a membership-based organization who has proudly served the military community for over 60 years. While we respect Brandon’s right of expression, his actions are not a representation of our organization and membership. We wish Brandon well on his future endeavors.
  Glenn Strebe
  President/CEO
  Air Academy Federal Credit Union

  I think that sums it up, no one minds your personal protests, but you are in a f-cking business! You can't think you are so above shitting on your own fans and customers in this way that it won't have a negative effect. Forget the big sponsors like Nike and Ford, think about the local stations spread out across the country, a 10% or more decline in sponsorship can have a massive ripple effect.

  Also, I agree Trump stepping in and stirring the pot seems to be a distraction. Sometimes I think he plays people's (mainly the media's) tendency to mindless outrage over anything to his advantage, to create a diversion. and inevitably they can't resist the bait. Sheep
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  Why the NFL Protest Is a Massive and Insulting Failure

  by freemindfade in

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  i think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make america amazing.

  but thinking rationally about what is going on with the nfl, therefore, i have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it.

  constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too.

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  I think everyone has the freedom to protest, they also have freedom of speech, these are two fundamental things that make America amazing. But thinking rationally about what is going on with the NFL, therefore, I have an unfavorable opinion of the league, and the players, not their right to free speech, but their motive and execution of it. Constitutional freedom to protest ends at the workplace door too. It’s not about rights anymore. Anyway, here are the main reasons I find the dumb as hell.
  

  1. Why do people love sports?

  You used to be able to go to a football game (or baseball or basketball) and escape the stress of everyday life, whether it's economic or political, people have common ground at a sporting event. Democrat, Republican, white, black, rich, poor, religious, not religious, whatever, we are wearing the same jersey and cheering for the same person, it gives us a moment to realize we have more in common than not. It was an escape. Now, it’s a political grandstand? Now, you have half a home stadium clapping and half booing. The escape is lost. That is one thing that makes this completely ineffective as a protest. It’s not the right forum. It’s OK for sports figures to be as political as they want! To protest, to do whatever. But people aren’t watching them to have an agenda shoved down their throat. It's bad form.

  2. What is the message?

  Go ahead, ask ten different people what these players are protesting exactly. You are likely to get ten different answers about WHAT exactly is being protested. Some will go with the original reason for the kneeling, “police brutality” (a factually unfounded issue). Someone else will say, “social injustice!” Well, this is a little vague. Another will say “TRUMP, they are protesting Trump”. Someone else, “racism”. And what I have seen more than any of these, is people protesting the fact that people are critical of their protest, how absolutely stupid is that?

  So really this whole “cause” is completely nebulous and lost. That doesn’t lend to it making a difference or working in this realm. Is there a specific policy they are protesting? A law? Nope, it’s just general outrage and if you aren’t outraged as them at whatever they FEEL is wrong, well you are clearly a racist!! People are tired of that narrative. It’s the narrative that put Trump in the white house. What we call “the left” is completely detached from people in America.

  3. Hypocrisy

  Most fans are smart enough to see the hypocrisy. Basically, these players kneeling is virtue signaling on the highest level, that is bad enough, but people are aware most of these guys are complete scum bags! NFL players are notorious for being arrested for heinous crimes, including abuse of women, abuse of animals, drugs, DUI’s. The hypocrisy is another element that you cannot deny drags this whole thing down. So you have middle Americans who make up swaths of NFL fans, some may be like these guys, but others maybe fought in wars, and live what would be considered good clean lives. Again, it’s a total misfire of the message.

  Average people know what a real hero is. Sure athletes are entertaining, but most rational people believe that someone who puts on body armor and goes into battle is a hero, not an entitled, wife, abusing the person who plays a game for a living.

  4. Delivery

  Most average American understand these players have their right to protest. But the message is poorly delivered and poorly received. Does the NFL think they are sticking it to racists? All they are doing in angering and alienating their fan base. To most Americans, this country and things that represent it like its anthem give these idiots their lavish lifestyle. The message is a slap in the face to average Americans, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE RACIST, but because of the sum of all these things I am mentioning. They don’t want this put in their face at a game, they know its virtue signaling, they know the anthem has nothing to do with whatever it is they think they are protesting. They just look like a bunch of ungrateful babies throwing a fit.

  It does not offend many people, many of them vets who fought, but I am telling you there are a lot of them are, like seriously offended. They don’t see it as a political protest when the NFL is letting these players make a scene “on the clock” so to speak.

  5. Outcome

  If you stand back and look at the effect, it’s a total failure. Its dividing people increasingly who would otherwise have no reason to be divided. That must tell you a lot about what this is accomplishing. Not directed at anything, it’s done in an intentionally insulting way to the wrong people, it’s a total failure and I hope the NFL loses their shit over it for being political. I personally haven’t watched for years, but I hope the stands are empty and the sponsors leave.

  
  
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  US violent crimes and murders rose in 2016, the FBI says

  by Simon in

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  i can't remember the exact topic but i think a few people predicted the same thing - that the blm movement would cause an increase in violent deaths of young black men, ultimately doing more harm than good.. and so it has: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41391333.

  an 8.6% rise in the homicide rate is pretty appalling by any standard unless it started at very low levels, which we know it didn't.. this is why i object to movements based on false premises and invented media lies / selective coverage.

  the people who suffer the most are not the ones marching in the streets.

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  This is why I object to movements based on false premises and invented media lies / selective coverage.

  Amen to that
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  Was there really a specific request for money in this week's meeting?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  i have seen a few comments about this week's meeting.. was there actually a part that specified an actual per-publisher amount that should be donated regularly?.

  can this be confirmed please?.

  i truly cant believe just how brazen the society seems to be getting - and how desperate they are!.

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  "Unexpected events" = abuse lawsuits.
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  Why the verb shun is missing from the JW lexicon

  by cognisonance in

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  so my parents when i confronted them about how unhappy i am at them shunning me, responded by saying: "you keep using the word shunning, we're not shunning you.

  "i am a bit confused how they can say that.

  i'm an ex-jw and an atheist.

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  I used it once and my aunt told me that was an "apostate word", "shun"