If one of Jehovah's Witnesses is transfused against his or her will, Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that this constitutes a sin on the part of the individual. This position has not changed.
If one of Jehovah's Witnesses accepts a blood transfusion in a moment of weakness and then later regrets the action, this would be considered a serious matter. Spiritual assistance would be offered to help the person regain spiritual strength. This position has not changed.
If a baptized member of the faith willfully and without regret accepts blood transfusions, he indicates by his own actions that he no longer wishes to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. The individual revokes his own membership by his own actions, rather than the congregation initiating this step.
TRANSLATION: IF A PERSON HAS ANY DOUBTS ABOUT THE BORG'S INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE THAT WOULD LEAD TO ANY OF THE ABOVE ACTIONS, THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISEASED AND NEED TO BE SEVERELY PUNISHED OR KILLED. IF IT WAS DONE AGAINST THEIR WILL, THEY MUST ALSO BE VIEWED WITH ALARM AS THEY ARE A POTENTIAL THREAT TO INFECT THE REST OF THE FLOCK SINCE BY BEING A VICTIM OF THE HEINOUS MEDICAL COMMUNITY, THEY ARE INFECTED NONETHELESS HAVING VIOLATED OUR INTERPRETATION OF GOD'S LAW AND RESTRICTIONS WILL BE APPLIED AS DETERMINED BY OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND/OR LOCAL BODY OF LOVING OVERSEERS.
GOD HAS COMMANDED THIS.
WARM CHRISTIAN SALUTATIONS,
THE MEN BEHIND THE CURTAIN OF THE WTBTS
AKA..FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE
AKA..GOVERNING BODY
AKA..LEGAL DEPARTMENT
(TAKE YOUR PICK)
freydi
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Press Release from Bethel
by Roamingfeline inpress release from bethel.
thu jun 15 20:22:08 2000. .
statement to the media (june 14, 2000).
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Yesterday my father informed me that he will shun me...
by nvrgnbk inbut only if a judicial committee tells him to.. if they say i'm inactive and let me be, he can still talk to me.. it's meaningless, because i would never meet with a jc, but he let me know where he stands.. he's dead to me.. i'm not hurting.. lost tons of respect for the man.. i told him he was brainwashed and left him without saying goodbye.. to no longer live for his approval was liberating, but this is even better.. i told him that i couldn't do that to my son.. his response?.
unconditional love is a lie.. you only get unconditional love from a dog.. sick, brainwashed, emotionally bankrupt man.. p.s.- not looking for cyber hugs.
just sharing the experience for others going through similar things and for lurkers to see what this cult does to people.. regards,.
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PS 27:10 "When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up."
You know, the dubs love to quote this when a dub is shunned for becoming a dub,
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Bad Drivers & Road Rage
by LouBelle inyou know i wish i could put bullbars (these are big metal bars across 4 x 4s, off road cars) on my car and drive into some people just to teach them a lesson.
yes every now and again i suffer from road rage and i justify it because there are such bad drivers around.. i hate it when you're on the roads and 1. drivers just swerve in front of you with no indication beofre.
2. when drivers drive to slow in the fast lane 3. when drivers ""sit on your bum"" edging you to go faster than the speed limit.
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I get around quite a bit and it seems that here in the states that there are about 20% that have absolutely no regard for the safety of themselves or others and imho belong in jail.. There's another 50% that are just clueless and have no idea what they're doing. Having lost the war on drugs, crime and borders, it seems like the authorities are trying to manage anarchy foretold as a prelude to when the whole system comes down and people throw their money in the streets. In the upcoming US election we could have a Mormon in his secret underwear versus a closet Muslim for Pres. Did you ever see Man of the Year? Ron Paul might have a chance. My theory is that the candidate with the best looking wife wins. So scratch the Clintons. Bill's cute and might get the homo vote, but it's going to be Obama against somebody, that is if they don't declare Marshall Law first and make Bush king.
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Bad Drivers & Road Rage
by LouBelle inyou know i wish i could put bullbars (these are big metal bars across 4 x 4s, off road cars) on my car and drive into some people just to teach them a lesson.
yes every now and again i suffer from road rage and i justify it because there are such bad drivers around.. i hate it when you're on the roads and 1. drivers just swerve in front of you with no indication beofre.
2. when drivers drive to slow in the fast lane 3. when drivers ""sit on your bum"" edging you to go faster than the speed limit.
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The world is going nuts. I started to notice something about 1990. It's like somebody threw a light switch.
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I think the noose just tightened a bit.
by 5go inwe had an interesting local needs.. first it clearly stated if you are not making all the meetings you will not make it in to the new system period no exceptions.
they twisted the story of the red sea to make an example.
saying you can not disobey once, or else you be left stuck in the bottom of the red sea.. from now on the elders will be making shepherding calls on those that are not attending regularly.. also, it was stated that if you know of any not attending regularly.
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Not to hijack the thread but any x-co's out there that can enlighten the class about what it's like when they get chewed out?
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Letter of Disassociation
by freydi injune 16th, 1994 .
dear friends, .
this letter is the most difficult i have ever had to write.
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Letter of Disassociation
by freydi injune 16th, 1994 .
dear friends, .
this letter is the most difficult i have ever had to write.
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I'd love to take credit but I didn't write this. That's why the link at the top. Thanks anyway.
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Letter of Disassociation
by freydi injune 16th, 1994 .
dear friends, .
this letter is the most difficult i have ever had to write.
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June 16th, 1994
Dear Friends,
This letter is the most difficult I have ever had to write. It will no doubt disappoint you. Some will prefer to be hurt rather than benefited by what I am about to tell you. Please sit down before you read on.
As I leave Bethel, I am also leaving Jehovah's Witnesses. I did not want to make this decision public. I wanted to leave quietly-simply fade from view. But there is no honorable way to leave the organization. In a day or two I will turn in a letter of disassociation. If I don't I will most certainly be disfellowshipped sooner or later. I've never tried to convert others, but some men will feel they have to warn you. An effort will be made to convince you that I am a bad and bitter person. Though I spent nearly half a century going house to house, you will hear that I left the JW's because I didn't like that work. I will be accused of independent thinking and, worse yet, of associating with apostates. I know this from observing what has happened to others. Despite a lifetime of trying my best to live like a Christian should, my reputation will be blackened by those who make a show of being loyal to the Society. All this because I can no longer conscientiously support the organization, and there is no hope of changing my mind. The organization in effect will be disfellowshiping you and not me because you will not be allowed to speak to me though I have the freedom to talk to anybody. The following is my side of the story.
I have not been influenced by apostates or any other religious group. My decision is based on prayerful study of the Bible and the Watchtower Society's publications. I am convinced that certain beliefs of the Society are contrary to the teachings of the Bible. For example:
Matt. 28:19 says baptism is to be in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but the W(atchtower) 85 6/1 substitutes "spirit directed organization" for "holy spirit".
Luke. 21:34-36 and other scriptures show that we each must be faithful and discreet in caring for what the Master has entrusted to us, but the Society says only "the remnant" as a group are the "slave" of Matt. 24:45-51. - See Matt. 25:13-30 ; Lu. 12:48 ; Lu. 16:10-13 ; 1 Cor. 4:2 ; Heb. 3:12, 1 Pet. 4:10, 11 ; Rev. 16:15
Acts. 3:20-23 shows that Jesus alone is the Greater Moses and God's prophet, but the W(atchtower)82 6/1 and W(atchtower) 9/1 urge an attitude that views the organization as such. This, even though the organization has rarely, if ever, guessed right about a future event!
Acts 10:38 makes it noteworthy that Jesus "went through all the land doing good and healing" the oppressed people, and other religions build hospitals, clinics, old-age homes, etc., for their own if not for others as well. But the Watchtower chooses to use it's millions upon of dollars to build more and more comfortable Bethel homes instead of helping even its own sick, handicapped, and elderly.
Acts 15:20, 29 tells Gentile Christians to "abstain" from blood, and the Watch Tower Society applies this to blood transfusions. But the context clearly shows that the purpose of the recommendation was to avoid creating great offense for Jews. C.T. Russell understood this, saying in the W(atchtower) 09 4/15, on page 117: "The things here recommended were necessary to a preservation of the fellowship of the "body" composed of Jews and Gentiles with their different education and sentiments." Think of the blood guilt resting on the Governing Body if Russell was correct!
Rom. 8:15 and Gal. 4:6 show that those closest to God call him "Father" - even "Daddy" - not "Jehovah". Would a loving child call his his father by his personal name?
Romans 12:3 warns against thinking too highly of oneself, but with no credentials at all, the Watch Tower Society assigns itself the role of God's spokesman and the administrator of all Christ's interests on earth. 2 Cor. 1:21, 24 shows that we belong to Christ and not even the apostles were "masters over our faith", but the Watch Tower Society constantly attempts to impose on our minds what it describes as the "great body of truths" that it has produced. Thus the Society has it's own organizational creed something it condemns in other churches.
Gal. 1:8 states: "Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed." Not one scripture that speaks of "the good news" has anything to do with an establishment of the Kingdom in 1914 or a new world on this planet. Rather they have to do with the coming of Jesus to the earth, his life, his death as a ransom sacrifice, his resurrection - his victory over kings, sin and death on behalf of all mankind and the authority his Father has given him to free believing humans from the wages of sin. That good news, not 1914, is "the glorious good news about the Christ who is the image of God" that the Watch Tower Society is blind to. - 2 Cor. 4:4
1 Tim. 2:5 says there is "one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus", but the Society says Jesus is not the mediator for those with an earthly hope. Heb. 4:16 says we can "approach with freeness of speech to the throne of undeserved kindness", not because the Watch Tower Society died for us, but because Jesus did.
Hebrews 10:19-22 shows Jesus eliminated the division between a priestly class and a non-priestly class, but the Watch Tower describes the "anointed remnant" as "the priestly class" and "the great crowd" as "spiritual Gentiles". - pm 80:15
In the New World Translation, the Christian Scriptures use the name of Jesus at least 8 times as often as they do Jehovah, but the average Watch Tower publication uses Jehovah at least 30 times as often as Jesus. Other churches are more balanced in this matter, but the Society accuses them of never using Jehovah's name.
The greatest testimony against the Watch Tower Society is it's own literature. The above instances simply skim the surface. The society seems incapable of letting the Scriptures speak for themselves. It must nearly always give a symbolic or "spiritual" meaning to a text.
The Proclaimers book released last year often hides what is related in Jehovah's Witnesses and the Divine Purpose and other publications. Whenever there is something good to report about the organization, the book is quick to tell us. But what about all the bad things that have gone on?
N.H. Knorr was also addicted to spiritualism. As shown in the g (Awake) 42 5/27, Knorr and the Society went to court over a silly matter having to do with their fanciful belief in "the King of the East, and the Chief King of the Sunrising" calling for Rutherford to be buried at Beth-Sarim at sunrise! Knorr lost the case, but his action postponed Rutherford's burial for three and a half months after he died! And since Fred Franz was a prominent member of the Society during the presidencies of Rutherford and Knorr, I have to conclude that he too was a spiritualist. No wonder his prophecies on the world's end for the mid-1940's and for 1975 did not come true. Nor will his prediction regarding the "generation" of Math. 24:34. Incidentally, though we have often thought of Fred Franz as some sort of amazing Bible and language scholar, in the door to door work I have met rural church pastors and Sunday School teachers who know far more Bible Hebrew and Greek than he did. - Math. 24:23-26, 44.
The Society claims to be a progressive organization, but over the decades it has bounced back and forth on doctrine. The Almighty Ruler of Nations speaks and teaches eternal truths. With Him there is never a variation or a shadow of a turning such as there always is with the Watch Tower Society. - Jas. 1:17
I personally resent the Society's campaign of whitewashing the record of it's presidents. Those who know the true story are being treated as fools. The Proclaimers book on page 693 says Rutherford wrote a letter to Hitler. This is in the context of "facing Nazi oppression". But Rutherford's letter, published in the Watchtower (yearbook) in 1934, praises Hitler for his anti-Anglo/American campaign and his plan to exterminate the Jews! As another example, in the W(atchtower) 94 8/1, page 23, Robert Hatzfeld is quoted as saying regarding Rutherford, "Many of the younger brothers at Bethel were somewhat intimidated by him until they got to know him." Yet, when I was at Brooklyn Bethel, and even before, I saw old timers wince as they spoke of Rutherford's bad language, drinking, and tyrannical ways. He was even sued by ex-Bethelite Olin Moyle on these matters, and Moyle won the case! I was also told that thousands of JW's in Germany died before Hitler's firing squads because Rutherford told them Jehovah would not allow them to die since they were among the "millions now living" who would never die.
Knorr was not much better. All the days at Bethel that I knew him, he was like an aloof businessman who had little regard for others. He ruled Bethel like a stern boss, and almost everybody feared the man. I remember days when he ridiculed and ranted for as much as an hour against those who displeased him and whom he had lined against the dining room wall before the entire Bethel family.
At Bethel in Brooklin and Canada there is little regard for other people's spiritual and emotional problems. Rarely if ever is Mathew 18 applied. If you approach someone with authority, he does little if anything to assist you. Rather, you can expect to be patronized and told simply to "wait on Jehovah". If you return with your problem days or weeks later, you stand a likely chance of being accused of having an obsession of some sort. At Brooklyn headquarters we were advised from the table head to exercise care due to theft going on within the Bethel family. Not just a few cases of marital infidelity, drunkenness and alcoholism, wild parties, and even homosexual practices are among the reasons some are dismissed at Bethel. We smile at the failure of the Catholic Church when we hear about a priest molesting little children. We certainly would not smile if we were told truthfully about the cases of child abuse, wife abuse, divorce, and youth delinquency that can be found in many of our congregations. AND WE ALL CLAIM THAT WE ARE MINISTERS!
The Society has stated that about one percent are disfellowshiped each year and that the majority of cases have to do with immorality. One gets disfellowshiped for not showing repentance, and lack of repentance is indicated by not taking the initiative to come forth and confess. What this means is that one percent of JW's get caught as fornicators, adulterers and homosexuals. How many others are secretly doing these things who do not get caught? It often takes a lot of effort and investigation to discover that someone is engaging in such secret practices. Still, about 40, 000 are found out and thrown out each year! How many other tens of thousands or more have not yet been exposed as the immoral persons that they are? Many other religions place strong emphasis on conduct, including the Adventists, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, and the Covenanting Congregations within the United Church of Canada. Of all of them, I think we have the worst record when it comes to blatant dishonesty and immorality.
You don't have to be an elder involved for some time with judicial matters to understand what I'm saying. Still, we boast about what a "clean organization" we are because we disfellowship wrongdoers. But those wrongdoers did their wrong WHILE THEY WERE IN THE ORGANIZATION. To brag that we are a clean organization is like the Pharisee in Jesus' parable who felt very assured of his righteousness by his regularity in the service of fasting and tithing and by his abstaining from certain condemned acts. Though he appeared exemplary on the surface, in reality he was outstanding only by his self praise. - Luke 18:9-14
I believe these problems exist because the Watch Tower Society tries to take the place of Jesus as Head of the congregation. It stands in the way of our having a personal relationship with Him because it wants to be the only "channel", "spokesman", and "watchman" for Jehovah's Witnesses. No human authority can motivate our minds and hearts as well as He who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, no matter how much that human governing authority tries to get its people to acknowledge and adore it rather than Him. In its efforts to hold high the name of Jehovah, the Society has overlooked the scripture that says, "He that does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him." - John 5:23
We hear over and over again that we have "the Truth," that we are God's only organization, and that we are the only people practicing true love. Our experience is so limited because all we know is Jehovah's Witnesses. We are urged to read only the publications of the Society and to use only it's Bible. If one keeps hearing something often enough, he will believe it. Because the Society says the good news is being preached "in all the inhabited earth", we believe it, even though the Society's message is reaching only a very small fraction of the earth's population and very few of them actually know what we stand for. Because the Society says we should preach from house to house, we do it, even though such activity is a nuisance to most householders and turns many against God and the Bible as well as against JW's. Our children are told not to go to college because it will corrupt them, but those who have done the most good for mankind have generally been those who have not been content with a mere surface education. God bestowed beautiful talents within each of us to be developed and used to his glory and praise. But we stay under-educated because the Society keeps us so busy with its constant activities and demands upon our limited time. As individuals and as congregations we should be administered according to the rule of the Word of God, not according to man-made rules in an "Organization" book.
The society has over the years liberally plagiarized from Christendom's commentaries. Still, it would like us to think there is nowhere else to go. Peter said, not to the Watch Tower Society, but to Jesus, "YOU have the sayings of everlasting life!" While preaching and in other ways, I have met members of churches and groups that are teaching "the glorious good news about the Christ." And they won't disfellowship you if your Bible trained conscience can't accept everything they say! THEY ARE LEARNING AND GROWING TOO. Let me know if you want to know who they are. It is my hope and my prayer that this letter will do something to unlock for you the wealth of what is one of the greatest and most dramatic movements the world have ever seen, the triumphant Christian congregation that has Jesus Christ as its Head and not any human governor or governing body of men.
I LOVE YOU VERY MUCH, and I will miss associating with you, for I am sure an announcement will be made against me. I am not promoting a sect when I say you should read and study the Bible and let it speak to you for itself. It is God's love letter to you personally, and its message is not intended to be slanted for you by an organization that thinks it loves you more that He does.
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Before Time
by freydi inanybody ever wonder about what went on prior to the creation of adam?
it's only been 6 thousand years which in terms of counting backwards eternity-wise from that point is a long time.
gives me a headache thinking about it.
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Anybody ever wonder about what went on prior to the creation of Adam? It's only been 6 thousand years which in terms of counting backwards eternity-wise from that point is a long time. Gives me a headache thinking about it.
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Speaking of math - can someone write an equation for the following. Thanks.
lets say you have two numbers you want to multiply in your head. say 1300 x 35 = 10 x 1300 x 3 + .5(1300)
Is there a consistent forumula for this process as well as the reverse for division?