the 16 yr old girl get's raped by a 26 yr old ministerial servant,.
so she goes to the elders about it.. the elders arrange a judicial committe meeting and listen to both sides of the story......... then they go to a room for five minutes and come back, and tell her that they are going to privately reprove both of them.........."furious", she asks what she is being reproved for, and they say "fornication".. they remind both of them to not gossip about it or tell anyone.. because it will bring reproach on jehovahs organization.. the girl, then goes to other elders, and appeals the elders decision, and complains that she got raped!!!
!.....she gets another committe meeting,,,,,they quickly come to the same decision and warn her to keep quiet,,,,,,,she goes to other elders.....they promise to help her...they believe her, ...days go by.........months go by...........she is in a meeting when they announce that brother rapist has been given a part on the assembly.........everyone claps........she goes back to the elders asking them how it is that he just got a part on the assembly, when he just raped her............they start reminding her to be submissive to the lead or they will take action,.....she can't keep quiet........they anounce that she has been reproved.........she starts speaking out against the whole body of elders,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,bingo, she is disfellowshipped for apostacy, and there is no value to her claims at all,,,,,,,,she was just an apostate fornicater, trying to smear a nice brother.....
want more theocratic reasoning??? ~~~~~>>>>>>>>>JEHOVAH IS MAKING IT MANIFEST!!!<<<<<<<<~~~~~~
look, who is jehovah blessing?.....the girl or the brother?...jehovah is opening doors for brother rape, jehovah is giving him privileges, jehovah is blessing him, ...cause he is innocent!
look at the girl,.......the holy spirit is making it manifest,.....she is a murmurer, a rebel, speaking out against the body of elders......a fornicater,...........a trouble maker.
jehovah is pushing her out of his "clean organization".
the 16 yr old girl get's raped by a 26 yr old ministerial servant,.
so she goes to the elders about it.. the elders arrange a judicial committe meeting and listen to both sides of the story......... then they go to a room for five minutes and come back, and tell her that they are going to privately reprove both of them.........."furious", she asks what she is being reproved for, and they say "fornication".. they remind both of them to not gossip about it or tell anyone.. because it will bring reproach on jehovahs organization.. the girl, then goes to other elders, and appeals the elders decision, and complains that she got raped!!!
!.....she gets another committe meeting,,,,,they quickly come to the same decision and warn her to keep quiet,,,,,,,she goes to other elders.....they promise to help her...they believe her, ...days go by.........months go by...........she is in a meeting when they announce that brother rapist has been given a part on the assembly.........everyone claps........she goes back to the elders asking them how it is that he just got a part on the assembly, when he just raped her............they start reminding her to be submissive to the lead or they will take action,.....she can't keep quiet........they anounce that she has been reproved.........she starts speaking out against the whole body of elders,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,bingo, she is disfellowshipped for apostacy, and there is no value to her claims at all,,,,,,,,she was just an apostate fornicater, trying to smear a nice brother.....
hi dazed, it's a hypothetical simplified combination of several cases i knew about. i, and everyone who was outraged, were reminded to be submissive to the lead, and stop speaking out against the body of elders.....wait on jehovah...
along with the reproof come the special needs talks from the platform, ....stop murmuring,(there was alot of murmuring) stop speaking out against the appointed lead...don't divide the cong,......wait on jehovah.. guess what, the murmuring didn't stop,.......more talks were given, and those speaking out the loudest were taken in the back room and questioned (me) as to if they were going to be submissive to "GOD'S VISIBLE LEAD"..........soon the victim is isolated, very few people want to get disfellowshipped over "her" problems, and she finds herself alone in her battle.
then, when you realize that brother rape had to be "recomended" by the body of elders, to get a talk on the assembly, and then you realize they are all in it together, even the district and circuit overseers,....cause they were both called by the rape victim.....and assured that justice would be done,//// just wait on jehovah.
after that, when you speak out, you are speaking out against the whole body of elders, and the circuit and district overseer....... want to talk to the gov body?.......guess who they are going to support?...they send a letter back to your local body of elders saying it might be in the best interests of the organization to disfellowship you, since you are questioning the authority of god's visible channel.
the 16 yr old girl get's raped by a 26 yr old ministerial servant,.
so she goes to the elders about it.. the elders arrange a judicial committe meeting and listen to both sides of the story......... then they go to a room for five minutes and come back, and tell her that they are going to privately reprove both of them.........."furious", she asks what she is being reproved for, and they say "fornication".. they remind both of them to not gossip about it or tell anyone.. because it will bring reproach on jehovahs organization.. the girl, then goes to other elders, and appeals the elders decision, and complains that she got raped!!!
!.....she gets another committe meeting,,,,,they quickly come to the same decision and warn her to keep quiet,,,,,,,she goes to other elders.....they promise to help her...they believe her, ...days go by.........months go by...........she is in a meeting when they announce that brother rapist has been given a part on the assembly.........everyone claps........she goes back to the elders asking them how it is that he just got a part on the assembly, when he just raped her............they start reminding her to be submissive to the lead or they will take action,.....she can't keep quiet........they anounce that she has been reproved.........she starts speaking out against the whole body of elders,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,bingo, she is disfellowshipped for apostacy, and there is no value to her claims at all,,,,,,,,she was just an apostate fornicater, trying to smear a nice brother.....
the 16 yr old girl get's raped by a 26 yr old ministerial servant, so she goes to the elders about it. the elders arrange a judicial committe meeting and listen to both sides of the story........ then they go to a room for five minutes and come back, and tell her that they are going to privately reprove both of them.........."furious", she asks what she is being reproved for, and they say "fornication". they remind both of them to not gossip about it or tell anyone. because it will bring reproach on jehovahs organization.
the girl, then goes to other elders, and appeals the elders decision, and complains that SHE GOT RAPED!!!!.....she gets another committe meeting,,,,,they quickly come to the same decision and warn her to keep quiet,,,,,,,she goes to other elders.....they promise to help her...they believe her, ...days go by.........months go by...........she is in a meeting when they announce that brother rapist has been given a part on the assembly.........everyone claps........she goes back to the elders asking them how it is that he just got a part on the assembly, when he just raped her............they start reminding her to be submissive to the lead or they will take action,.....she can't keep quiet........they anounce that she has been reproved.........she starts speaking out against the whole body of elders,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,bingo, she is disfellowshipped for apostacy, and there is no value to her claims at all,,,,,,,,she was just an apostate fornicater, trying to smear a nice brother.....
just my opinion, but,.....the pedohpile rape issue is just starting. it's not a complicated issue,,,,,,,the general public understands what it is about.......it's not a doctrinal thing......there is no excuse for it.......and it's not accpeted in any society.
to bring other issues into it would not be as effective.
eu has noticed that a number of persons making up this forum are guilty of showing disrespect to jehovah's witnesses.
some refer to jws as 'hovahs and others talk about kingdumb hells, all the time professing to follow christ.. some may justify their rude behavior by saying that jws themselves can be rude.
even if the charge is true, and eu is not really convinced that it is, why cannot ex-jws rise above the fray?
why does eu talk in the third person?..... is eu afraid to talk normal?....could it be that eu is not really eu???........because eu is brainwashed??
why does the gov body call eveyone on the planet except them, 'SATAN WORSHIPERS', and then wonder why they get called names, eu?.......does eu not understand that eu is in a cult?
most jw members think of the gov body and other higher ups as kind loving god fearing men.
but from what i have seen, they are cruel selfish haughty uncaring liars. if you could only associate with them, you would see that the example just given of sydlig, is what they are really like.
ever wonder what it's like for a little girl, who finally gets the courage to tell on jw daddy's bad habit of making her @#$% him, just to be traumatized by 2 elders who tell her she doesn't have 2 witnesses and now she must "go home with daddy"?.
ever wonder about how "scared" she is at the "moment they inform her", go home with daddy now?.......after "telling" on daddy?......and the elders are telling her, she has to go home with daddy now???.
ever wonder if daddy might make sure she never tells on him again???.
ever wonder what it's like for a little girl, who finally gets the courage to tell on JW daddy's bad habit of making her @#$% him, just to be traumatized by 2 elders who tell her she doesn't have 2 witnesses and now she must "go home with daddy"?
ever wonder about how "scared" she is at the "moment they inform her", go home with daddy now?.......after "telling" on daddy?......and the elders are telling her, she has to go home with daddy now???
ever wonder if daddy might make sure she never tells on him again??? why do you think abuse victims don't come forward until years and years later?
i was wondering if anyone could comment on the likelyhood of a witness elder considering physical evidence of molestation.
so far all i am hearing about is the 2+ witness rule and i would like further clarification.. if sally-sue's parents walked up to elder marvin and said: 'hey!
you paint a picture of a loving elder, caring about the child and justice.
how come there is sooo much EVIDENCE of just the opposite? how come those who bring the evidence forward are being disfellowshipped by these so called "loving elders"? how come silent lambs is getting more and more victims coming forward who are willing to TESTIFY?
here's what would really happen in your illustration;
elder;........what?.........you are accusing brother phaux of RAPING YOUR DAUGHTER?........brother phaux is a pioneer elder, and goes on vacation with the circuit overseer, and district overseer....
you can't accuse him of "RAPE"!!!!!! i have to talk to the other elders about this.
other elders: we better tell the parents to quit talking about brother phaux, he has already called the district overseer..........and the district oversees says he will stand behing bro phaux, and help him get legal aid from headquarters.
we better reprove the parents, and tell them to be quiet about this matter.
many on this forum criticize elders as being incompetent.
i've know a few myself, but you must agree that there are also very good elders also.. well, here is a case and i would like to know what you would do if you were an elder.. a fourteen (14) year old male has sex with a twelve (12) year old female.
the female confesses to her parents and the parents report to the elders.
the proof is in the pudding,,,,,,,,,,,HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! the dateline show proved what really goes on.....YOUR PUDDING IS FULL OF RAPIST ELDERS AND CHILD MOLESTERS,,,,HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
and the victims are shunned!!!!!!.....and the gov body stands behind it all........HAHAHA!!!!......it's all on tape!!!!
you know, it's sorta like claiming to be god's mouthpiece and starting an organization........but nothing you predict comes true.
