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  Requirement for JWs to report sins of others to the elders--need source

  by cabasilas in

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  i'm looking for some pointed references that detail the requirement for jws to report the sins ("disfellowshipping offenses") of fellow members to the elders.

  i have the "a time to speak--when?

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  I'm looking for some pointed references that detail the requirement for JWs to report the sins ("disfellowshipping offenses") of fellow members to the elders. I have the "A Time to Speak--When?" article from 1987 but was looking for more concise and direct statements in WT literature. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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  September KM - 70 alterations in Revelation Climax Book

  by dozy in

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  i can't find a thread on this subject yet - if there is one , please delete this one.. the september kingdom ministry has a 4 page insert detailing the 70 alterations in the revelation climax book which is due to be studied at the book study shortly.

  i'll provide scans if anyone is interested.. i will leave it up to more experienced analysts to examine the reasons for specific changes , but just a few brief observations for now:.

  p32 box - "they were completely exonerated" changed to "charges against them were dropped" - interesting change of terminology for the 1918 watchtower eight.

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  Thanks Ann for posting the original scans. And thanks Elsewhere for posting where the PDF file can be found!
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  September KM - 70 alterations in Revelation Climax Book

  by dozy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i can't find a thread on this subject yet - if there is one , please delete this one.. the september kingdom ministry has a 4 page insert detailing the 70 alterations in the revelation climax book which is due to be studied at the book study shortly.

  i'll provide scans if anyone is interested.. i will leave it up to more experienced analysts to examine the reasons for specific changes , but just a few brief observations for now:.

  p32 box - "they were completely exonerated" changed to "charges against them were dropped" - interesting change of terminology for the 1918 watchtower eight.

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  Thank you, Leolaia, for the explanation! Very helpful!
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  When was use of cross in illustrations abandoned?

  by cabasilas in

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  in another thread someone quoted a recent wt source that said the use of the cross in illustrations was abandoned in 1936. i came across this booklet "what is truth?

  ", written by rutherford in 1932. it shows christ on a stake on page 56:.

  http://www.reexamine.info/30s/1932%20what%20is%20truth.pdf.

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  Thanks, Blondie, for those references.
  

  Here's a wild theory...and I emphasize it's only a theory.

  Could the rejection of Christ dying on a cross be connected to Rutherford's battle with the vestiges of Russellism in the movement?

  One example: Beards (said to often be grown in imitation of Russell) were shaved off in the late 20s and 30s. I remember reading that the German Branch manager (was it Balzereit?) shaved his beard off to please Rutherford.

  Could the change to a "tree" or "stake" have been partially related to Rutherford's rejection of Russell's "cross and crown" pins?

  Again, it's just a random thought.
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  When was use of cross in illustrations abandoned?

  by cabasilas in

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  in another thread someone quoted a recent wt source that said the use of the cross in illustrations was abandoned in 1936. i came across this booklet "what is truth?

  ", written by rutherford in 1932. it shows christ on a stake on page 56:.

  http://www.reexamine.info/30s/1932%20what%20is%20truth.pdf.

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  True, the WT Society has done this sort of "conditioning" with other things. (Such as the demise of 1874 as the start of Christ's presence.)

  What I found interesting is that the Society would publish a picture of Christ on a stake in 1932. Perhaps the explanation for the change from cross to stake was mainly in lectures and did not get into print until 1936. I did a search of the Watchtower pdfs from 1928 to 1932 and started seeing a jump in uses of Christ dying on a "tree" in 1932 (the February 15th issue). Perhaps "tree" was the preferred term as they rejected the idea of Christ dying on a cross?

  I still wonder if there is some printed explanation before 1936. It just might be in something not generally available today (such as the Golden Age or a convention brochure).
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  When was use of cross in illustrations abandoned?

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in another thread someone quoted a recent wt source that said the use of the cross in illustrations was abandoned in 1936. i came across this booklet "what is truth?

  ", written by rutherford in 1932. it shows christ on a stake on page 56:.

  http://www.reexamine.info/30s/1932%20what%20is%20truth.pdf.

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  But the 1932 booklet shows Christ on a stake.

  The official history states the explanation came in 1936. But, that doesn't make sense if the WT Society was publishing a picture of Christ on a stake in 1932.

  Is the official history wrong about the change being explained in 1936? Was there some sort of statement earlier? One would think there would be if they would publish a picture of Christ on a stake in 1932.
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  When was use of cross in illustrations abandoned?

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in another thread someone quoted a recent wt source that said the use of the cross in illustrations was abandoned in 1936. i came across this booklet "what is truth?

  ", written by rutherford in 1932. it shows christ on a stake on page 56:.

  http://www.reexamine.info/30s/1932%20what%20is%20truth.pdf.

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  I seriously doubt the Let God Be True books say Christ died on a cross. They may quote a Bible version that uses the word "cross," but that's different than claiming Christ died on a cross.

  I really don't want this thread to get sidetracked. When did the WT Society start with the idea of Christ on a stake instead of a cross? The 1932 booklet shows him on a stake. Presumably there's an article before that (my guess in 1931) that said something about this. I did a search of the 1931 WT pdf that I have and I didn't see anything. Anyone have the Golden Age for 1931?
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  When was use of cross in illustrations abandoned?

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in another thread someone quoted a recent wt source that said the use of the cross in illustrations was abandoned in 1936. i came across this booklet "what is truth?

  ", written by rutherford in 1932. it shows christ on a stake on page 56:.

  http://www.reexamine.info/30s/1932%20what%20is%20truth.pdf.

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  Perhaps I'm misreading you, Blondie, but the illustration in the 1932 booklet written by Rutherford is of Christ on a STAKE, not a cross. That's what has prompted my question. When did the WT make the change? Obviously it was before this 1932 booklet, but when?
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  When was use of cross in illustrations abandoned?

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in another thread someone quoted a recent wt source that said the use of the cross in illustrations was abandoned in 1936. i came across this booklet "what is truth?

  ", written by rutherford in 1932. it shows christ on a stake on page 56:.

  http://www.reexamine.info/30s/1932%20what%20is%20truth.pdf.

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  Blondie,

  I'd always thought it was later in the 30s myself until I saw the illustration of Christ on a stake in the 1932 booklet.

  Where was it that they first explained this idea?
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  When was use of cross in illustrations abandoned?

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in another thread someone quoted a recent wt source that said the use of the cross in illustrations was abandoned in 1936. i came across this booklet "what is truth?

  ", written by rutherford in 1932. it shows christ on a stake on page 56:.

  http://www.reexamine.info/30s/1932%20what%20is%20truth.pdf.

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  cabasilas

  In another thread someone quoted a recent WT source that said the use of the cross in illustrations was abandoned in 1936. I came across this booklet "What is Truth?", written by Rutherford in 1932. It shows Christ on a stake on page 56:

  http://www.reexamine.info/30s/1932%20What%20is%20Truth.pdf

  But, it's just an illustration. This could not be the introduction of the idea. (As I recall, this was about the time the WT was redesigned with the result the cover no longer had a cross on it.) There has to have been an article somewhere that first presented the view that Christ died on a stake instead of a cross. In a Watchtower of that era? My guess is that perhaps it was in a Golden Age magazine before this 1932 booklet was printed? Does anyone know?