Posts by cabasilas

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WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!

by yknot in

so i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.

mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.

here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.

cabasilas

Whether or not the WT had to outwardly support the UN Charter is NOT the point.

I would disagree. The fact that they did do that with the UN/DPI scandal in the 1990s was very significant. That truly was hypocrisy of the highest order.

The point is that they went to a meeting sponsored by the United Nations, with UN food, UN speakers, and UN topics....with a United Nation's agenda being dolled out.

If I were a JW, I'd be less bothered by this. Say that an entity of the US or the UK was having meetings on religious freedom. I could accept JWs going to such a meeting as representatives of the Watchtower Society. Yet, the current JW teaching is that the US and the UK are the "false prophet" of Revelation chapter 13. JW leaders have lobbied Congressional meetings before, such as meetings regarding the FCC in the 1930s. JW lawyers have used the US judicial system to try to get their way on various issues. In Canada (arguably part of the "Anglo-American World Power" and thus part of the "False Prophet" of Rev. 13), JWs distributed petitions for the enactment of a Bill of Rights for Canadians back in the early 50s.

Now, if the JW representatives are getting member status in any of these groups or making statements that are supportive of the UN -- that would really bother me as a JW.

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Jehovah's Witnesses in Buckingham Palace

by Scarred for life in

i was fortunate enough to visit the uk on vacation.

one of the places we visited was buckingham palace which is open for 6 weeks every summer.

we were there on tuesday, july 28. i saw a group of 5 women that all had on "keep on the watch" tags.

cabasilas

I found the reference to the JWs giving books to the Queen in the 1981 Yearbook, pp 240-241:

ROYAL VISITORS RECEIVE LITERATURE

Early in 1954 the Queen of England learned from a Maori sister of the activity of Jehovah’s Witnesses in New Zealand. The Wellington, New Zealand, Dominion newspaper explained:

“A Bible and a book published by the Watchtower Society were unexpectedly handed to the Queen by a Maori woman who came on the dais at McLean Park, Napier, today to be presented to Her Majesty and the Duke of Edinburgh. Mr. and Mrs. Tuiri Tareha were two among the 74 people presented to the Royal visitors. Instead of shaking the Queen’s hand, Mrs. Tareha passed to Her Majesty a small, neatly-wrapped brown-paper parcel.”

The package contained the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures and a copy of the book “New Heavens and a New Earth.” Brother Tareha explained, as a newspaper report quoted him: “The Queen once said that she wished that she had the wisdom of Solomon so that she could rule her people with equity and justice. We were confident that these books would help her.”

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WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!

by yknot in

so i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.

mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.

here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.

cabasilas

What I wonder most of all, is how the United Nations allows the WTS to be an NGO. The UN mustn't read the WTS literature condenming the UN as the Great Beast. If they did, they'd quickly realize that the WTS is NOT going uphold UN goals. Any apostate in New York want to put on a tie and go over to the UN with a bookbag of WTS literature showing the UN as the Great Beast, and ask the NGO Admittance Committee how the WTS fits into their group?

The UN does not allow an organization to be an NGO. An NGO is simply a "non-governmental organization." Being an NGO does not mean an organization has any relationship with the UN.

When the WT Society (as an NGO) affiliated with the DPI of the UN in the 1990s it had to agree to support the Charter of the UN. Once that was exposed in 2001, that affiliation came to an end.

Do we have any evidence that these meetings required the WT to indicate support of the UN Charter? If there is such evidence, I'd love to see it!

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What would you say are THE core teachings of the JWs...

by Tuesday in

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hey everyone,.

getting some feedback, what would you say are the core teachings or were the core teachings of the jehovah's witnesses.

the teachings that make them unique, the teachings that if they weren't there the jehovah's witnesses wouldn't exist.. i would say the teaching of 1914 and god choosing jws as the right religion would probably be the core teaching.

cabasilas

As one of their main doctrines, I would say the JWs emphasize that Christians need to use the name "Jehovah" to be saved.

With that in mind, ask a JW where Jesus uttered the name "Jehovah" in one of his prayers. Sure Jesus spoke of a "name" in a couple of his prayers, but he NEVER uttered "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" in any of his prayers according to the New World Translation.

This is something that might make a JW start thinking.... I know it did me.

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Jehovah's Witnesses in Buckingham Palace

by Scarred for life in

i was fortunate enough to visit the uk on vacation.

one of the places we visited was buckingham palace which is open for 6 weeks every summer.

we were there on tuesday, july 28. i saw a group of 5 women that all had on "keep on the watch" tags.

cabasilas

Wouldn't be the first time. There was an incident in New Zealand in the 50s when a Maori JW approached the Queen while she was on a State visit and gave her a copy of "New Heavens and a New Earth." It caused quite a scene as one is not supposed to approach the Queen uninvited.

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1995 Generation change - Awake! Masthead change

by SuspiciousMinds in

this is regarding the change in the wording of the awake!

masthead regarding "the creator's promise" to restore paradise.

i believe the change happened between the octbober 22 and november 8 issues.

cabasilas

I believe the masthead started in the early 80s.

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WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!

by yknot in

so i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.

mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.

here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.

cabasilas

The links on the first thread clearly showed the Watchtower is an NGO of the United Nations.

The Watchtower Society is an NGO (a non-governmental organization). There's a difference between being just an NGO (as are many thousands of other organizations -- many with no connection to the UN) and being an NGO in affiliation with the UN (as are those in consultive status with the ECOSOC as you quoted on the previous page).

As far as I've seen so far, the only evidence that they crossed the line in affiliation with the UN was back in the 90s with the affiliation with the DPI (Department of Information). The DPI of the UN disassociated them from membership in 1991.

Is there evidence that the Watchtower Society has re-affiliated with a part of the UN system since then?

Or, are they just attending meetings of the UN to get their agenda across?

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WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!

by yknot in

so i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.

mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.

here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.

cabasilas

Yknot said:
Yet it appears that the WTS too has been wooed by the 'power and influence' of associating with these organization who either work side by side with the UN (as the OSCE admits) or are within the United Nations System. (Like Agenda 21, June 2008 "Creation Day")

Could you explain more about this, please? Sounds interesting.

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WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!

by yknot in

so i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.

mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.

here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.

cabasilas

Voideater wrote:

The attempt to split hairs and justify WTS participation with the UN, with the OSCE, and becoming an NGO (along with the *requirements* of such), are astounding, and sound disingenuous. To be an apologetic is a result of cognitive dissonence or denial.

..."becoming an NGO (along with the *requirements* of such)...

I'm no Watchtower apologist. The Watchtower Society did not become an NGO. It was an NGO (non-governmental organization) long before Ciro Aulicino and Lloyd Barry signed those papers to affiliate with the Department of Information of the UN back in the early 90s. What it did was to become an affiliated NGO with a department of the UN. This is an important difference and should not be confused with just being a regular non-governmental organization.

The question that needs to be answered still is if the Watchtower Society has any affiliated status with the UN these days. Attending a series of meetings of a UN agency does not mean it has affiliated with a UN agency or has agreed to support the UN (like it did with the DPI situation back in the 90s).

Do we have evidence that the Watchtower Society has affiliated with a UN agency? Or, are they using these UN agency meetings to get something they want?

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WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!

by yknot in

so i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.

mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.

here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.

cabasilas

Skeeter 1 quoted this UN document:

Q. How many NGOs are there in consultative status? Currently there are 3187 NGOs in consultative status with the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC), and some 400 NGOs accredited to the Commission on Sustainable Development (CSD), a subsidiary body of ECOSOC. NGOs in the CSD roster need to contact the NGO Branch of DESA in order to apply to consultative status.

Is the Watchtower Society in consultive status with the ECOSOC? They were at one time in affiliation with the Department of Information of the UN, but as far as I've ever seen they've never been in consultive status with the ECOSOC. Is there something I'm missing here?