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  Did Jehovah destroy millions with a flood in Noah's day?

  by fish in

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  jesus seemed to believe in the story of noah's flood.

  i wonder if god really drowned millions of people like the bible says for simply eating and drinking and not taking any note?

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  james_woods

  hi fish -

  You do have to realize that a lot of us do some pretty open and lively debate here. Sometimes posters even take up viewpoints which may not be their own personal hard-held belief systems.

  I would hazard a guess, having been in a couple of flood threads already, that what you would probably find here are: (roughly, and IMHO):

  35-40% - skeptical of a literal world wide flood but could accept a legend born of localized events.

  35-40% - view such things as myth the same as Zeuss or Apollo and have moved beyond literal views in matters of faith.

  Remainder - there are a minority who are true believers and would be looking for the remains of the ark if they could.

  Of course, "Your mileage may differ..."

  Myself, I kind of go with the localized Black Sea flood legend and view it as religious literature but not science. (too many physical and biological problems here for me to go literal).

  Most of respect each other enough to be able to debate it without too much rancor. Notice I said most!

  As noted, you sure did make one heck of an entrance with this one! Welcome again,

  James
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  Ray Franz---A Man We Owe Our Thanks To

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i've been thinking of how all of our lives have changed from learning about this religion and getting out.

  probably no one has done more to help us understand the truth about "the truth" than raymond franz.

  of course there were others that questioned dates, prophecies and dogma but it was ray franz that revolutionized the organization.

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  james_woods

  Slimboyfat, just a question, and a point:

  Did you ever have a chance to meet Ray, or talk with him on this subject? In particular, did you meet or talk with him at the time of these events?

  I agree with you that he was a reformer at heart. Also, that he was also a slow and reluctant fader just like many on this board. He loved the bible and the freinds and wanted to help them. When he saw that nothing further could be done from within, he made his escape. He did so by forcing the GB to oust him, thus illustrating what a bunch of hypocrites they really were. I cannot see where he would have ever compromised to "stay in" - not after his final decisions had been made.

  I think a good way to describe his exit from bethel was kind of like what Chuck Yeager described on the process of bailing out of the F104 Starfighter..."we called it committing suicide to avoid getting killed"...

  My point here is that Ray, Ed, and several others knew that they were burned toast the day they opened the subject up with the GB. They did so out of great conviction and courage.

  James
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  Did Jehovah destroy millions with a flood in Noah's day?

  by fish in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

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  jesus seemed to believe in the story of noah's flood.

  i wonder if god really drowned millions of people like the bible says for simply eating and drinking and not taking any note?

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  james_woods

  RE Mr. Kim - LOL The response ought to be great on this last statement.

  Well, gosh! Mr. Kim - I was really hoping for a little debate on my bad angel theory. The response was pretty good, in fact, but the ball just got sent over to your side of the net.

  Oh well, maybe I'll lob one more over - what did all those poor animals do wrong? Did Noah just pick the "good" pairs? Were there Nethinim animal offspring as well? I would not put anything past those weirdo angles!

  The PETA people would have a field day if they had access to this information!

  James

  p.s. - Welcome Fish! See what you started - are you having fun yet?
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  Online WHAT????

  by What-A-Coincidence in

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  i'll be dammed!

  the online memorial.

  http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/index.php?s=fbd73d79c1fcc2dd517a94433784c2e4&showtopic=1026

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  james_woods

  And if your network is down on the "right" date Nisan 14, you can log in 30 days later at the next full moon. I would also suggest a check box for "partaker" or "non-partaker"...

  Reminds me of the movie THX-1138 rummaging around behind the scenes and finding the studio set where his "Prophet" is running those prayer booths...the prophet was just a big picture with a TV camera aimed at it.

  Get in that Jet_Powered McClaren Elva and kick some chrome faced robot butt, THX!
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  Im from sydney Australia searching for love

  by Rose1998 in

  1. social
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  im rose!!!!

  would anyone be interested in me?

  im very nice, im a jehovahs witness, im 25, im friendly etc... interested in males from any country.

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  james_woods

  I am so old that the only "Brandy" I am aware of in american music was the ballad by Looking Glass of that name -

  You know the one - "Sailors say Brandy, what a good wife you would make..."

  Well, that brandy and Coirvousier VSOP...

  I admit it when I am whipped by supiorior logic; even I would see that the description overshadows another Masonic theory thread...

  James
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  Ray Franz---A Man We Owe Our Thanks To

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been thinking of how all of our lives have changed from learning about this religion and getting out.

  probably no one has done more to help us understand the truth about "the truth" than raymond franz.

  of course there were others that questioned dates, prophecies and dogma but it was ray franz that revolutionized the organization.

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  james_woods

  Could not have said that better - no one could have.

  Let me add also the names Marion and Ed Dunlap, both of whom were right with Ray and are both now passed on. Not an unreasonable bitter person in the whole bunch. There are still a few relatives alive keeping the flame whom I do not mention due to family issues.

  Great religious humanitarians all -

  James
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  Im from sydney Australia searching for love

  by Rose1998 in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  im rose!!!!

  would anyone be interested in me?

  im very nice, im a jehovahs witness, im 25, im friendly etc... interested in males from any country.

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  james_woods

  I would also suggest that if she gets tired of the bread shop, a career in marketing might be a possibility.

  This person's (notice I am not yet convinced of present or original gender) very first post...certainly took off like one of Werner Von Braun's Saturn 5 moon shots!

  And to think that hardly any religious post makes it past 50 in several days -

  James
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  Need a rebutal to elders!!!!!!!!!

  by beaches in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let me preface this by saying i wanted to fade quietly........ i went to the mall and my husband called me on my cell to let me know 2 elders had stopped by (sun after mtg).

  he told them that we had some questions and were looking into things.

  they of course asked "like what kind of things".

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  james_woods

  Well, when I had to do this about 30 years ago, I think the one thing that kept me determined to proceed through the doubts was all the false prophecy.

  They may think they can waffle on 1914, 1918 and what they meant by these. They may want to claim that they never really said anything about 1975. They are lying, and anybody can see they are looking for a way out of prophesy that did not come true.

  They simply cannot deny, however, that they really did teach that "millions now living will never die" and that the generation old enough to know what was going on in 1914 would definately see the end. This was false prophecy, plain and simple.

  You don't even have to go far to prove it - recently they had to retract their own words on 1914 generation and make it a vague sort of nothing.

  I told them about the generation running out of time back in 1980 when I had to face their committee - they called me the false prophet because big A was certainly coming right away. This was back when they took the generation as 70-80 years and you had to be old enough in 1914 to know the facts.

  I wonder what they would say to me now after nearly 30 years & now that they have had to change this?

  Hang in there - you don't need to discuss much. They lied to you plain and simple and you should call them on it.

  Good wishes, James
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  Do you honestly think the Witness religion will end?

  by free2beme in

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  i know that people here make comments about the religion having problems and growth not being anything other then children born into the faith and third world countries.

  i even see them make comments about, "how much longer can this go on?

  " yet honestly, do you really think the witness religion will end in our life time?

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  james_woods

  Can anyone think of a large cult that just suddenly died out - to serve as a "prophetic type" of the demise of Watchtowerism?

  I can only think of a few right now - funny how all of these seem to have some parallel to Witness Land today:

  How about the Knights Templar - Finally wiped out by jealous governments after their usefulness had passed.

  How about the Shakers - just withered away because they had no children and no new converts were willing to do without sex.

  How about the PTL (I mean Jim and Tammy) - got found out for massive corruption and fraud; including a little Beth Sarim for dogs no less.

  I don't think it is at all likely that WT goes away in total, but they will certainly have to change eventually on 1914 and the 144,000. That may be the big test as so much has hung on that stupid chronology for so long.
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  Did Jehovah destroy millions with a flood in Noah's day?

  by fish in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  .

  jesus seemed to believe in the story of noah's flood.

  i wonder if god really drowned millions of people like the bible says for simply eating and drinking and not taking any note?

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  james_woods

  Mr Kim - if it were the bad angels that God was going after (in the flood), then why didn't he kill them instead of their offspring and all normal humans? Was it their human mother's fault that they got raped with the bad seed?

  Deputy Dog - if God's primary purpose is to make people die, then isn't God a redundency? After all, people have been dying just fine now for millions of years and no one living today has seen him do a mass annhilation. Don't give us any tidal wave theory - every thinking person knows that George the 2nd did that tsunami with nuclear bombs at the bottom of the ocean.

  I am just loving to see yet another rationalization thread on the flood myth - this needs to be done about once a month, lest we forget.

  James