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I've Got a Christmas Present Given by Pastor Russell

by Seeker4 in

jw
friends

i've got a really good collection of wts literature that i've been working on since the 1960s.

the cover is in rough shape, but the pages are perfect.

stev

I posted this poem "The True Church". It is probably the longest poem in the book. The churches visited are not stated, but I am concluding from the description of each that the first church is likely Catholic, the 2nd Episcopal, the 3rd Quaker, and 4th Congregational. The Pilgrim does say regarding churches that "all are good, but none is best." I am perplexed by the message of the poem, and not sure what action is being urged by it. Perhaps the poem is meant to be thought-provoking only. It does not answer the question of what church to join. Some could conclude that no church is needed. Russell taught that all churches were Babylon, which all should flee from, a radical message, which perhaps this poem was used to support. However, unfortunately, the movement that he started later developed the same evils as the churches that he denounced. The message "the one true church is never found" and "seek Christ its head" and "all are good, but none is best" is correct, but yet does not tell us how to live in this world with the inevitable mixture of good and evil, even within the church. Russell, localized the evil in the churches and the human organizations without, due to collapse soon in Armageddon. But this might have caused his followers to be ignorant and blind to the evil that was within in their midst. Steve

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I've Got a Christmas Present Given by Pastor Russell

by Seeker4 in

jw
friends

i've got a really good collection of wts literature that i've been working on since the 1960s.

the cover is in rough shape, but the pages are perfect.

stev

THE TRUE CHURCH.

I.
ONE Sabbath morn I roamed astray,
And asked a Pilgrim for the way:
"O, tell me, whither shall I search,
That I may find the one true Church?"
He answered, "Search the world around;
The one true Church is never found.
Yon ivy on the abbey wall
Makes fair the falsest Church of all."
But, fearing he had told me wrong,
I cried, "Behold the entering throng!"
He answered, "If a Church be true,
It hath not many, but a few!"
Around a font the people pressed,
And crossed themselves on brow and breast.
"A cross so light to bear," he cried,
"Is not of Christ, the Crucified!

::page 14::

Each forehead, frowning, sheds it off:
Christ's cross abides through scowl and scoff!"
We entered at the open door,
And saw men kneeling on the floor;
Faint candle, by the daylight dimmed,
As if by foolish virgins trimmed;
Fair statues of the saints, as white
As now their robes are, in God's sight;
Stained windows, casting down a beam,
Like Jacob's ladder in the dream.
The Pilgrim gazed from nave to roof,
And, frowning, uttered this reproof:
"Alas! who is it that understands
God's Temple is not made with hands?"

II.
We walked in ferns so wet with dew
They plashed our garments trailing through,
And came upon a church whose dome
Upheld a cross, but not for Rome.
We brushed a cobweb from a pane,
And watched the service in the fane.
"Do prayers," he asked, "the more avail,
If offered at an altar rail?
Does water sprinkled from a bowl,
Wash any sin from any soul?
Do tongues that taste the bread and wine
Speak truer after such a sign?"
Just then, upon a maple spray,
Two orioles perched, and piped a lay,
Until the gold beneath their throats
Shook molten in their mellow notes.
Resounding from the church, a psalm
Rolled, quivering, through the outer calm.

::page 15::

"Both choirs," said I, "are in accord,
For both give praises to the Lord."
"The birds," he answered, "chant a song
Without a note of sin or wrong:
The church's anthem is a strain
Of human guilt and mortal pain."
The orioles and the organ ceased,
And in the pulpit rose the priest.
The Pilgrim whispered in my ear,
"It profits not to tarry here."
"He speaks no error," answered I,
"He teaches that the living die;
The dead arise; and both are true;
Both wholesome doctrines; neither new."
The Pilgrim said, "He strikes a blow
At wrongs that perished long ago;
But covers with a shielding phrase
The living sins of present days."
We turned away among the tombs--
A tangled place of briers and blooms.
I spelled the legends on the stones:
Beneath reposed the martyrs' bones,
The bodies which the rack once brake
In witness for the dear Lord's sake,
The ashes gathered from the pyres
Of saints whose zeal our soul inspires.
The Pilgrim murmured as we passed,
"So gained they all the crown at last.
Men lose it now through looking back,
To find it at the stake, the rack;
The rack and stake are old with grime;
God's touchstone is the living time!"

::page 16::

III.
We passed where poplars, gaunt and tall,
Let twice their length of shadow fall.
Then rose a meeting-house in view,
Of bleached and weather-beaten hue.
Men, plain of garb and pure of heart,
Divided church and world apart.
Nor did they vex the silent air
With any sound of hymn or prayer.
God's finger to their lips they pressed,
Till each man kissed it and was blessed.
I asked, "Is this the true Church, then?"
He answered, "Nay, a sect of men:
And sects that shut their doors in pride
Shut God and half His saints outside.
The gates of Heaven, the Scriptures say,
Stand open wide, by night and day.
So, then, to enter, is there need
To carry key of church or creed?"

IV.
Still following where the highway led,
Till elms made arches overhead,
We saw a spire and weathercock,
And snow-white church upon a rock--
A rock, where centuries before,
Came sea-tossed pilgrims to the shore.
My sandals straightway I unbound,
Because the place was holy ground.
I cried, "One church at last I find,
That fetters not the human mind."
"This church," said he, "is like the rest;
For all are good, but none is best."

::page 17::

V.
Then far from every church we strayed--
Save Nature's pillared aisles of shade.
The squirrels ran to see us pass,
And God's sweet breath was on the grass.
I challenged all the creeds, and sought
What truth, or lie, or both, they taught.
I asked, "Had Augustine a fault?"
The Pilgrim gazed at heaven's high vault,
And answered, "Can a mortal eye
Contain the sphere of all the sky?"
I said, "The circle is too wide."
"God's truth is wider!" he replied.
"Though Augustine was on his knee,
He saw how little he could see;
Though Luther sought with burning heart,
He caught the glory but in part;
Though Calvin opened wide his soul,
He comprehended not the whole.
Not Luther, Calvin, Augustine,
Saw visions such as I have seen."
While yet he spake, a rapture stole
Through all my still inquiring soul.
I looked upon His holy brow,
Entreating, "Tell me, who art THOU?"
But such a splendor filled the place,
I knew it was the Lord's own face!
I was a sinner, and afraid!
I knelt in dust, and thus I prayed:
"O Christ, the Lord! end Thou my search,
And lead me to the one true Church."
He spake as never man may speak--
"The one true Church thou shalt not seek,

::page 18::

Seek thou, forevermore, instead,
To find the one true Christ, its Head!"
The Lord then vanished from my sight,
And left me standing in the light.

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I've Got a Christmas Present Given by Pastor Russell

by Seeker4 in

jw
friends

i've got a really good collection of wts literature that i've been working on since the 1960s.

the cover is in rough shape, but the pages are perfect.

stev

freeminds lists the 1912 edition at $400 retail.

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I've Got a Christmas Present Given by Pastor Russell

by Seeker4 in

jw
friends

i've got a really good collection of wts literature that i've been working on since the 1960s.

the cover is in rough shape, but the pages are perfect.

stev

from ZWT jan 1, 1913 NEW POEMS OF DAWN Our attention was called to the fact that many of our readers do not know that the Book of POEMS OF DAWN recently published is quite different from the old edition. It does, indeed, contain the choicest poems from the old edition, but it includes many entirely new. We believe that every WATCH TOWER reader would be desirous of having this new edition if thoroughly aware of the contents. Its beautiful verses are very restful and helpful, well adapted to the various experiences of the Lord's people. As a part of His staff for His weary ones to lean upon they are a present help in time of need. The prices are extremely low and include postage--cloth-bound, 25c.; Karatol-bound, 35c.; India paper, leather-bound, 50c. [page 2]

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I've Got a Christmas Present Given by Pastor Russell

by Seeker4 in

jw
friends

i've got a really good collection of wts literature that i've been working on since the 1960s.

the cover is in rough shape, but the pages are perfect.

stev

I would be interested in knowing more about the Watchtower Farms as well. Although the prices are less than what the originals would cost on Ebay, a few of the books can be purchased for much less money from some of the Bible Student groups. Quite a few of these books can now be viewed online for free.

Steve

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I've Got a Christmas Present Given by Pastor Russell

by Seeker4 in

jw
friends

i've got a really good collection of wts literature that i've been working on since the 1960s.

the cover is in rough shape, but the pages are perfect.

stev

I would like to see a scan of the book also.

Steve

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I've Got a Christmas Present Given by Pastor Russell

by Seeker4 in

jw
friends

i've got a really good collection of wts literature that i've been working on since the 1960s.

the cover is in rough shape, but the pages are perfect.

stev

Years ago, I saw an early edition, maybe even the first edition, of this book. The authors of many poems were indicated by name in the index in the back of the book. Maria Russell's name appeared as an author for several. Do these names appear in the 1912 edition? Or were they omitted? Maria Russell played a large role in this book, but 1912 was after their divorce trial.

There is a poem called "The True Church." It is one of the longest poems. The character is looking for the one true church and asks a Pilgrim ( who is actually Jesus) for the way. The Pilgrim answers,"the one true church is never found." They visit various church buildings, and attend church services, but the Pilgrim points out each church's failings. At the end the searcher recognizes it is Jesus, who tells him instead to seek "the one true Christ, its head."

This poem reflects the anti-church, anti-organization stance of the Russell period. However, although the seeker perhaps was wrong to look for the one true church, expecting perfection in this life, he yet did not have an answer for what church he should join. This poem is effective, yet leaves me unsatisfied. Certainly there is a middle ground between looking for one true church and communing alone with Christ, and although there might not be one true church, there could many that would be acceptable. I can't help but think that this black/white perspective on churches caused Russell and his followers to be naive about their own dark side. They thought they had left Babylon and lived in freedom apart from all human organizations, yet human society cannot seem to function without the social groups and organizations.

Steve

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Was Rutherford a good lawyer? Or was he Bluffing?

by VM44 in

was rutherford a good lawyer?.

this is a question i have asked myself several times.. the facts are tha rutherford took a course in shorthand, and worked in a law office for a time, and then became a lawyer (passed the bar) by passing an oral examination given by a panel of lawyers.. does that qualify for an education in law?.

rutherford, as it is well know, filled in for the travelling circuit judge a few times, for a total of four days.. years later it was published that rutherford was a member of the "new york bar", but there is a question if that group even existed.. there is no record that i know of indicating rutherford ever won a case in court of law.. when ct russell sued the brooklyn daily eagle for libel over a cartoon of him that they published, another lawyer instead of rutherford was used (although rutherford was there and involved in the case, he just was no the lead lawyer).

stev

In 1882, the books were open for inspection. From ZWT Reprints, page 313:

To all whose donations have been over one hundred dollars, we have made special reports, and to any donor the books are always open for inspection.

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Jude and 1 Enoch

by Leolaia in

use of 1 enoch elsewhere in jude.

jude 4 = 1 enoch 48:8-10, 81:1-2, 108:6-7 .

jude 6 = 1 enoch 10:4-12, 12:4, 15:3-7 .

stev

BIBLE--Re Its Inspiration. ::Q41:3:: QUESTION (1911)--3--Do you believe in the inspiration of the Bible?

ANSWER. --I do believe in the inspiration of the Bible.

BIBLE--Infallibility. ::Q41:4:: QUESTION (1911)--4--Do you believe the Bible infallible?

ANSWER .--I believe the Bible as God gave it is without error. It would not he grammatical to say that the Bible is infallible. I will say that the Bible is unerring. Only a person can be infallible, you know, and I will make the explanation here that there are passages in the common version of the Bible that are not in the old manuscripts of the Bible, and some of these passages have caused confusion.

BIBLE--Re Being Without Error. ::Q42:1:: QUESTION (1911)--1--Do you believe the Bible absolutely devoid of error?

ANSWER .--There are certain parts of the Bible that are purely historical. The Books of `Kings` and `Chronicles` and the books of `Matthew`, `Mark`, `Luke` and `John`, are purely historical, and there is no particular need of inspiration in regard to these, unless it would be that divine providence would guide them so that they would not leave out what should be in. But where a history is written, it is not of necessity that it should be inspired, because all truth is good. If Saint Matthew, for instance, wrote that Jesus said thus and so, he is merely telling what he heard, what he knew to be the facts. He did not need to be inspired to tell the truth, any more than you need to be inspired to go out of here and tell what I have said: you should tell it straight; so there is no need of any inspiration about it. Now, I would say there are passages in `Kings` and `Chronicles` where evidently an error has been made. These are historical books, and there are little slips somewhere in the way the thing has been recorded. Both books cover the same period of time, but one gives it a little different from the other. We may see some day just how they can be harmonized, but at present we do not.

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Jude and 1 Enoch

by Leolaia in

use of 1 enoch elsewhere in jude.

jude 4 = 1 enoch 48:8-10, 81:1-2, 108:6-7 .

jude 6 = 1 enoch 10:4-12, 12:4, 15:3-7 .

stev

peacefulpete writes: Russell interestingly however actually made statements to the effect that there are 'errors in the Bible'. Quite surprising for an adventist. Since Russell, the WT has subtly admitted the same but would never come out and say it for fear it's members would take an interest in higher critism and come away with a more educated view of the Bible

Question: Where does Russell says that there are errors in the Bible? Can someone verify this? peacefulpete?

Steve