Posts by stev
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What happened on October 31, 1916?
by blondie in.
while on a lecture tour of the midwestern and southern parts of the us, 89 years ago, charles taze russell died on a train in pampa,texas, at the age of 64 (picture of him in 1916 below).. .
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What happened on October 31, 1916?
by blondie in.
while on a lecture tour of the midwestern and southern parts of the us, 89 years ago, charles taze russell died on a train in pampa,texas, at the age of 64 (picture of him in 1916 below).. .
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stev
There was a previous thread on the rumor that Russell was poisoned. I cannot see the document that was posted, but apparently it claimed that Russell might have poisoned at the hotel in Galveston on that final trip.
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What happened on October 31, 1916?
by blondie in.
while on a lecture tour of the midwestern and southern parts of the us, 89 years ago, charles taze russell died on a train in pampa,texas, at the age of 64 (picture of him in 1916 below).. .
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stev
There seems to be some uncertainty as to the cause of Russell's death.
http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/history/st%20paul%20memorials.htm
Notes written on a flying train are often so poorly made that I find it difficult to read my own writing. The story seems to be correct except in two minor matters-one is that when Brother Russell left the platform at San Antonio, the paper has it that he weakened and sat down. The fact is that he did not die of heart trouble, but of an inflammation of the bladder, and while writing you on Brother Bohnet’s desk I could not fail to see on the burial permit that the cause of death was given as "Cystitis" and instead of weakening, the pain was excruciating
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What happened on October 31, 1916?
by blondie in.
while on a lecture tour of the midwestern and southern parts of the us, 89 years ago, charles taze russell died on a train in pampa,texas, at the age of 64 (picture of him in 1916 below).. .
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stev
There was an issue in the St. Paul Enterprise that reported on the death and funeral of Russell, and there is a letter from someone who attended the funeral, and he claimed that he saw Mrs. Russell there. It is been both affirmed and denied that she was there. The Harrison book mentions it, but I forget if Harrison believed it or not.
http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/history/st%20paul%20memorials.htm
At the grave, two heavily veiled ladies followed the coffin, one on the arm of Brother Pyles of Washington, the other on the arm of another brother-I think it was Brother Driscoll. One of these ladies was Mrs. Russell-a widow indeed, and I shed a tear for her as I thought how she has suffered and that from her viewpoint she had been wronged. I hope she will be brought nearer the Master by the death of her husband and will not remain in widowhood, but become the bride of Christ Jesus.
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What happened on October 31, 1916?
by blondie in.
while on a lecture tour of the midwestern and southern parts of the us, 89 years ago, charles taze russell died on a train in pampa,texas, at the age of 64 (picture of him in 1916 below).. .
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stev
A few days ago, I read this account of his death by his personal secretary:
There are several things that strike me as unusual about this account. The thoughtfulness of Russell for his secretary, that Russell spoke at a State Fair, that he could not eat for the last week, that he often would lecture for two and a half hours at a time, that Sturgeon had to spell him a few times during his last public lecture, the personal affection of Sturgeon for Russell, the celebrity status of Russell that made him instantly recognizable in public, and the Roman toga scene.
PASTOR RUSSELL'S LAST DAYS BY MENTA STURGEON
http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/BibleStudents/PastorRussellsLastDays.html
He had a beautiful way of making the one who traveled with him feel at ease, and not consider himself merely as a servant, by handing him enough money at the beginning of the journey to cover all his incidental expenses during the trip. He would then arrange that we pay each other's expenses alternately; he paying all expenses for both one day, and his companion paying all expenses for both the next day, and so on during the entire trip.
How many times have I heard him ask people on the trains, in the stations, hotels, everywhere, "Are you consecrated?" He nearly always brought this in. He had many opportunities; for people recognized him everywhere and desired to speak or have a few words with him. People on the train knew him--brakemen, porters, conductors and passengers.
In the stations, hotels, on the streets, everywhere, he was recognized. Many a time people came to me on the train and inquired, "Is that not Pastor Russell? and would say, "I knew him by his picture in the paper," or "I heard him lecture at such and such a place." Sometimes they would inquire just after he had walked through the train, "Who is that distinguished gentleman with you?" In this way we were able to send out many First Volumes and other printed matter of the Society.
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To: Barbara Anderson -- Re: First WatchTower President
by West70 ini am primarily posting this to barbara anderson, but obviously everyone is welcome to correct or comment on my remarks as they see fit.
mrs. anderson, i realize that trying to cover all bases in your pending russell bio would be impossible, but i do hope that you will be able to include a section on the first president of the watch tower society, william h. conley.
i hope that you have had a chance to research conley with some degree of thoroughness, so as to dispel some of the half-truths that some bible students and jws try to promote (such as that conley's age and health caused his inactivity with russell after 1881).
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stev
Assuming this is the same Conley, I wonder if he was still president of the Society when the Zion's Watch Tower review appeared in 1884(?). Perhaps Russell reluctantly agreed to review it and promote it with reservations. Peters has countless references to Barbour and Russell, agreeing on some points and disagreeing with others. So Peters was acquainted with Russell, and if this is the same Conley, Conley knew Peters, and Conley knew Russell of course. Peters' volumes show that Russell had points of contact with premillenial, dispensationalist views, but Peters disagreed that Jesus was present since 1874.
Steve
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To: Barbara Anderson -- Re: First WatchTower President
by West70 ini am primarily posting this to barbara anderson, but obviously everyone is welcome to correct or comment on my remarks as they see fit.
mrs. anderson, i realize that trying to cover all bases in your pending russell bio would be impossible, but i do hope that you will be able to include a section on the first president of the watch tower society, william h. conley.
i hope that you have had a chance to research conley with some degree of thoroughness, so as to dispel some of the half-truths that some bible students and jws try to promote (such as that conley's age and health caused his inactivity with russell after 1881).
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stev
The previous post is from
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To: Barbara Anderson -- Re: First WatchTower President
by West70 ini am primarily posting this to barbara anderson, but obviously everyone is welcome to correct or comment on my remarks as they see fit.
mrs. anderson, i realize that trying to cover all bases in your pending russell bio would be impossible, but i do hope that you will be able to include a section on the first president of the watch tower society, william h. conley.
i hope that you have had a chance to research conley with some degree of thoroughness, so as to dispel some of the half-truths that some bible students and jws try to promote (such as that conley's age and health caused his inactivity with russell after 1881).
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stev
The dedication to George N. H. Peters' three volume Theocratic Kingdom (1884)reads: "This Voume is Respectfully Dedicated to W. H. Conley, Esq., and Dr. J. T. McLaughlin, to whom the author is deeply indebted for sympathy and pecuniary aid in the prosecution and publication of the work."
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Charles Russell, Alleged Child Abuser
by Farkel inin the thread about whether charles russell was gay or not, a topic was brought up that i believe deserves a new thread.
as card-carrying apostates we all need to be careful about our information.
even one mistake, whether intentional or not, gives dubs the chance to jump up and say, "see those apostates lied about that thing.
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stev
I have today read through CTR's account of the Rose Ball incident, and also Maria Russell's account, reading in mentally how old she really was, in that year. CTR claims that she was around 13, maybe as young as 10, or older than 13, so he is quite imprecise, but let's say she was 13 in 1888 when she arrived, she would have been age 19 in 1894, when Maria Russell started her Rose Ball incident. However, she was actually around 19 in 1888, and would be 24 years of age in 1894.
Reading CTR's account and putting in her true age at the corresponding year, the story certainly does not fit very well at all, because it is based on her being a child.
I do not find in his account where he explains how a girl around 13 and her brother arrived at his house. It is difficult for me to fathom how he could be ignorant of her age if he thought her a child, and if he wasn't sure, he could have asked her, and how he remained ignorant for 12 years while she lived in his house and worked at his office. Most children are eager to tell their age. If they considered Rose Ball like an adopted daughter, certainly ascertaining her age would be crucial to their care of her, and not to find out seems negligent. So his story as it stands has some credibility problems to begin with.
Let's say that he genuinely mistook her true age and thought she was 10-13 when she was actually 19, which seems incredible or naive. Then they both treated her like a child when she actually was a grown woman, and Rose Ball would have to play the charade and pretend that she was younger than she really was and did this for several years.
These are the most charitable explanations of the age discrepancy in CTR's account. Yet his wife Maria, as I recall, did know her age at the trial as 19 when she first arrived. How could he have been ignorant of this when his wife knew?
Although both accounts have Rose Ball kissing CTR and being on his knee, they are quite inconsistent. One significant fact in Maria's story is that she claimed in 1893 that her husband wanted a separation.
Steve
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To: Barbara Anderson -- Re: First WatchTower President
by West70 ini am primarily posting this to barbara anderson, but obviously everyone is welcome to correct or comment on my remarks as they see fit.
mrs. anderson, i realize that trying to cover all bases in your pending russell bio would be impossible, but i do hope that you will be able to include a section on the first president of the watch tower society, william h. conley.
i hope that you have had a chance to research conley with some degree of thoroughness, so as to dispel some of the half-truths that some bible students and jws try to promote (such as that conley's age and health caused his inactivity with russell after 1881).
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stev
In the book "The Theocratic Kingdom", by Peters, Conley's name appears on the dedication page of the third volume. This book was written in 1884, and reviewed in the Watch Tower, which was mixed. The editor (CTR) knew Peters personally. I think that Conley helped to finance the publication of this book. Peters throughout his large opus reviews Russell's and Barbour's views.
Steve