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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

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  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  I do agree it is impossible to say that this prophecy has been fulfilled in the best sense.

  I understand your argumentation with regards;

  To illistrate [sic] : I will go on record, right here, right now in predicting that this post will endure forever.

  However, if in two thousand years a worldwide religion had spread based upon your post made on a backwater internet forum, I am sure some may start to claim divine inspiration on your behalf.

  From my perspective, it seems the writers of the bible were essentially claiming their words would last forever. These books are some of humankind's first moral teachings, stories, philosophy, etc.. written down either created or borrowed from oral tradition. The claim they would endure into the world we know today and have the influence they do is quite remarkable; evidence for some of divine intervention, evidence of the power of memes for others, for me... suggestive that despite all our advances the human mind still lingers closely to that of our forebears that first walked upright.

  Again, I do understand that the prophecy does not fit exactly into the crtieria required. However, I think it could hit the 'special' knowledge requirement - there were many religious views around at the time, who could have known that this tiny religion would grow to dominate the western world and still be going strong in 2014!? I do understand your point re the quote above - but I am playing advocate.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  It seems I am now playing devils advocate for a (kind of) biblical prophecy - how have I got myself into this mess?

  To start as any good apologist should I would like to point out, you failed to ackowledge any merit in my post and just flippantly brushed it off without consideration almost as if you are not really interested in exploring the possibilities, it seems you are just baiting to beat down posters.

  You have slightly shifted the burden of proof with your question. If there is a prophecy that god's word is enduring, just because there are potentially false versions of biblical texts, if just one true version remains the prophecy would be still on track. Also the "covenant" both new and old, depending on your theological leanings are well understood and could be said to be enduring. As an atheist I can honestly say I have an understanding of the "His covenant" such as it is laid out in the bible (which ever version) - it has so far proved enduring.
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  Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

  i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

  i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

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  M*A*S*H

  As a non-believer I offer the following Psalm 111:7-9; the promise that god's word essentially will be enduring.

  Personally I hope this one will fail soon, unfortunately it seems to be taking a while, and (IMHO) my judgement of its failure would come with the death of the Abrahamic religions. However, if I was a believer, I would be pointing this one out saying 'this is prophecy made 2+ millennia ago and is proving true': Believer or not - this is a very bold statement to make - however I would guess that all religions make similar claims so perhaps that disqualifies it (or maybe adds more weight)?

  That said - this is not exactly a prophecy - it’s a divinely inspired poem of sorts however the 'see also' back it up.

  Psalm 111:7-9

  7 The works of His hands are verity and justice; All His precepts are sure. 8 They stand fast forever and ever, And are done in truth and uprightness.
  9 He has sent redemption to His people;
  He has commanded His covenant forever:
  Holy and awesome is His name.

  See also 1 Peter 1:25, Isaiah 40:8
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  The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

  we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

  they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

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  Sorry for jumping in... but I am not sure I really believe that Jesus sacrificed anything if the biblical story is to be believed. Jesus was fully aware of his divine nature, he knew he would survive this earthly death and be taken back into heaven - just what exactly is the sacrifice?

  I would like to apologise in advance to those that take offence at me even asking the question, as for some this is an affront. I try to liken my point to the popular Christian belief in the rapture, this is an event very much looked forward to, at no point has anyone suggested this is a sacrifice in anyway despite the similarity in concepts.

  Another interesting view comes from the Jewish religion. Obviously they believe they are still waiting for the return of the messiah and do not recognise Jesus' sacrifice... and yet they make no blood sacrifice. They believe the Old Testament provides grounds for forgiven of sins without blood sacrifice; this is achieved through prayer, good works, observance and charity; this viewpoint seems pretty sensible given the Old Testament reason used (see here http://www.jewfaq.org/qorbanot.htm). It is difficult to argue with this position; it seems to me the Old Testament implies that by living a good life, observation of the law and prayer forgiveness can be achieved. Now some of the laws may be considered 'odd' by modern standards, but did this really require a human sacrifice to amend?

  As a non-believer I still find the whole concept of human sacrifice and blood offerings as payment of 'sins' completely alien to the concept of justice, divine or otherwise... this is without touching on the 'sins of the father debate'. Surely the only person that should be punished and\or make recompense for the 'adamic sin' would be Adam? I always struggle to understand why so many are so willing to accept that a third party can absolve them of their sins or make up for the original - nowhere else would they ever accept such a concept. If the mother of a murderer offered to sacrifice herself on account of her son's wrong doing to allow her son to walk free - would that be justice?
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  THE WBATS AND THEIR CONSTANT HEADACHE SINCE 1914!

  by ADJUSTMENTS in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the wbats and their gb have done some major pr damage control with the "old" new light of the overlapping generation in 2010, and the recent new light of the fds arrangement in 2013, it has helped stave off some of their bleeding.

  i can remember at the time when it was first announced it went completely over my head, i didn't even bat an eye or loose a step.

  i just didn't understand at the time (not completely understanding jw doctrine and chronology, and just what the jw cult leadership bets on for the rank and file when releasing new light) how critical of a so-called "adjustment" that was, until several years later and being able to finally see some old light through research and connecting the dots.

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  I find it funny how all the 'nu-lite' appears to those outside JW.borg as flip flopping, scrambling around in desparate fits to keep the religion going; to those still in it is proof that G is guiding the organisation and moving it forward. They need new light in some ways - otherwise what are the FDS for really?
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  Well, IT HAS BEGUN. See the future of the WTBTS in print.

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hate to read the wt, but i skimmed the july 15 study edition.

  i found many examples of propaganda, of course, but a couple things really stood out.

  1) the future of the preaching work.

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  Do you think when God's active force is 'spirit guiding' (not inspiring of course) the JW.borg writing department, he now 'guides' directly in HTML? There must be the odd time J is sat on his throne looking down at some writer's screen thinking, 'bloody hell man, float that div right' or 'oh come on, that's much easier to do in jquery'.

  Oh dear, sorry, that turned into a kind of geeky developer joke.
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  The Illusion of Superiority

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after reading dozens and dozens of posts and hundreds of comments, it seems to me that a great many people on this forum think that since they figured out ttatt, they must therefore be a highly intelligent and incredibly rational individual.

  let me take a moment to congratulate everyone.

  its a big step to figure this out - i know.. that said, it doesn't make you a genius!

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  M*A*S*H

  Hang on Viviane, I buy fish from the chip shop all the time... they definately do not have bones.

  Anyway...

  fiSH / noun noun: fish ; plural noun: fishies ; plural noun: Double cod 1. a limbless cold-blooded battered animal which goes well with chips and mushy peas.
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  Education

  by M*A*S*H in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just looking on jw.org at an education related topic; http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201210/what-parents-can-do/.

  be reasonable with regard to how much education to pursue.. as mentioned earlier, education can help prepare your child for responsible adulthood.

  (genesis 2:24) but how much schooling does reaching that goal require?.

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  Gustv, a member of my family still part of the borg was an elder and university lecturer (prof) at the same time, somewhat ironic!
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  Education

  by M*A*S*H in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just looking on jw.org at an education related topic; http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201210/what-parents-can-do/.

  be reasonable with regard to how much education to pursue.. as mentioned earlier, education can help prepare your child for responsible adulthood.

  (genesis 2:24) but how much schooling does reaching that goal require?.

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  M*A*S*H

  Just looking on JW.org at an education related topic; http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201210/what-parents-can-do/

  Be reasonable with regard to how much education to pursue.

  As mentioned earlier, education can help prepare your child for responsible adulthood. (Genesis 2:24) But how much schooling does reaching that goal require?

  Do not assume that your child must attend a university to make a decent living. There are other options that are less costly. In fact, in some cases those with trade skills can make as good a living as university graduates.

  I was curious about that Genesis quote...

  That is why a man will leave his father and his mother and he will stick to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

  Are they trying to suggest we only need enough learning to leave 'mum and dad', shack up with a wife and understand which bit goes where?

  I reckon the first draft of the last paragraph above left the writing department like this...

  Do not assume that your child must attend a university to make a decent living; windows do not clean themselves you know.
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  Want to make Money $ with a Web Site?

  by sarahsmile in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  has anyone had success with a high traffic website or blog ?.

  it might take a team of people to accomplish.. ads pay and people count, lots and lots of people.

  does jehovahs-witness.net make money every time someone looks at the web site?

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  M*A*S*H

  That brought a tear to my eye...