Posts by Beep,Beep

I had started to answer this as a single reply and then I hit the wrong button and lost it all. I will break it down to smaller sections and hope I don't make the same mistake again.

""Except that there is no statement that there are any fractions that are objectionable meaning any JW can choose (without censure of any kind) to accept ALL available fractions derived from whole blood. Which means, your quote confirms, rather than dispels, my earlier statements.""

""Moreover, some products derived from one of the four primary components may be so similar to the function of the whole component and carry on such a life-sustaining role in the body. ""

No, law, nothing declared off-limits? Damn, imagine that, someone would have to think, think and decide for themselves. Oh, wait, that can't be! Witnesses are mindless zombies, incapable of thinking for themselves. But, but, there isn't any law so one MUST think, but witnesses can't think on their own. But there is no hard fast rule which would require one to think.

Hmm. a matter of conscience. So what one person decides is acceptable, someone else could reject. Which one is right? Should I be allowed to condemn someone because their conscience allows them to accept something I would not?

Sorry I cannot agree with your statement. I see it implied that one would have to DECIDE for themselves.

""Although, I fully understand why you might wish to dispel the reality I posted. It remains reality.""

In your opinion, which I do not agree with.

""And if you write a letter to the WTS you will find that they will not instruct you to avoid any blood fraction derived from the four primary components.""

Exactly. And why should they? Such are a matter of conscience. That would require one to think, research, and then DECIDE for themselves. Which would also go a long way in dispelling the myth that witnesses do not think for themselves.

I'll continue a little later with Mexico and your example of a "lie"

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Confession me reply to your message RE Richie

by Beep,Beep in

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i do not agree with your reading of "policy".

i base this on personal experience on a couple of fronts.

1. i have yet to come across a single verifiable of a cover up.

Beep,Beep

""In actual practice, here's what a highly influential HLC member who runs one of many successful "bloodless surgery" units in a major hospital said in telling me how he explains the use of fractions to dub patients who present with serious complications and need to make a decision on blood: ""

Why does this statement seem wrong? A member of the HLC, runs a "bloodless surgery" unit? As far as I can determine ALL members of the HLC are witnesses. Therefore this statement reeks as being untrue.I see no reason to accept anything this person says.

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Confession me reply to your message RE Richie

by Beep,Beep in

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friends

i do not agree with your reading of "policy".

i base this on personal experience on a couple of fronts.

1. i have yet to come across a single verifiable of a cover up.

Beep,Beep

unclebruce,

"" Would Beep Beep condem Simon Weisenthals much lauded 'theft' of Nazi documents proving the holocaust? Sinse he hasn't replied, I guess so. The Nazis were extrremely pissed off but who gave a sh*t about that? Only fellow fascists. I raised this point before - it went unanswered yet the dopey wanker raises the issue of theft again here in this self-pleasuring thread. Beep beep thinks he's pulling our chain but in reality he's pulling something nearer and dearer. ""

What, did you miss it?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/111671/1951844/post.ashx#1951844

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Confession me reply to your message RE Richie

by Beep,Beep in

jw
friends

i do not agree with your reading of "policy".

i base this on personal experience on a couple of fronts.

1. i have yet to come across a single verifiable of a cover up.

Beep,Beep

Nice mrsjones5. Is that a self portrait?

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Confession me reply to your message RE Richie

by Beep,Beep in

jw
friends

i do not agree with your reading of "policy".

i base this on personal experience on a couple of fronts.

1. i have yet to come across a single verifiable of a cover up.

Beep,Beep

AuldSoul,

The problem is your insistance that 100% of the fractions ARE acceptable. Are they? The following would seem to indicate otherwise. It is taken from the same Watchtower magazine that has the chart you provided.:

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w04 6/15 p. 23 par. 16 Be Guided by the Living God ***

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As noted in paragraphs 11 and 12, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not accept transfusions of whole blood or of its four primary components—plasma, red cells, white cells, and platelets. What about small fractions extracted from a primary component, such as serums containing antibodies to fight a disease or to counteract snake venom? (See page 30, paragraph 4.) Some have concluded that such minute fractions are, in effect, no longer blood and hence are not covered by the command ‘to abstain from blood.’ (Acts 15:29; 21:25; page 31, paragraph 1) That is their responsibility. The conscience of others moves them to reject everything obtained from blood (animal or human), even a tiny fraction of just one primary component. Still others may accept injections of a plasma protein to fight disease or to counteract snake venom, yet they may reject other small fractions. Moreover, some products derived from one of the four primary components may be so similar to the function of the whole component and carry on such a life-sustaining role in the body that most Christians would find them objectionable.""

This one paragraph would seem to blow your claim that 100% of fractions are accepteble out of the water.

Lies/Lying.

I don't suppose you would care to provide an example of this "lying"? Without knowing what you are refering to, it would be silly for one to attempt to address it.

UN/NGO:

The stated purpose was to obtain a library card. Some here have scoffed at such a claim. However at least three local educational institutions have also found it necessary to do the same thing. It seems that there are some areas that do require such a card for access. One such area would seem to be the section dealing with Human Rights.

Being recognised as an NON GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION is not the same thing as joining the UN. I fail to see why tis is upsetting to you.

Secret J.C.:

What did the writers of the N.T. say? Were you to air your problem with your brother in public or in private?

Matthew 18:15-17, ""15 "Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go lay bare his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, in order that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. 17 If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector.""

No where does this indicate that EVERYONE needed to know what was going on.

Mexico "Incident" I have yet to find a second, independant source to back up this claim. Every time I have had this brought up, it has been refered back to Ray Franz. I find it interesting that the only ones who bring up this alleged incident are ex-Witnesses. I never had a non witness bring this up. Curious. Could it be that those non witnesses heard and dismissed this as rubbish?

Somehow I can't picture the Mexican government allowing such a thing to occur. Why would they allow those who will not serve in the military to carry a card saying they ALREADY had basic training? Somehow I can't picture the Mexican military going along with such a thing. To put it bluntly, what a crock of SHI_.

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In ref. to child abuse

by jw in

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ok all time to get real.

child abuse is not limited to jw's.. if you truly want to stop child abuse first start with the family , and be honest we all have a relative that is a pedophile.. then protect your family from stranger danger.. don't just isolate to jw's.. expand and truly stop the child abuse world wide.

Beep,Beep

""How is it that you have at least SEVEN different IP numbers?""

I can offer a suggestion. In a few words............. DAIL UP MODEM.

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Confession me reply to your message RE Richie

by Beep,Beep in

jw
friends

i do not agree with your reading of "policy".

i base this on personal experience on a couple of fronts.

1. i have yet to come across a single verifiable of a cover up.

Beep,Beep

""For instance, if I have a pizza cut into 4 slices, it doesn't matter how many fractions I make out of those four slices I still have one whole pizza. 100% of 1 pizza. It is simple mathematics."

Sorry AuldSoul but your example falls short. Regardless of how you cut the pizza it's still pizza because you are not breaking it down into it's components. Cut it as you like that doesn't change.

Using the typical pepperoni pizza, look at it this way. The four components of your pizza are the crust, the sauce, cheese, and pepperoni. Remove the pepperoni and you still have pizza. However if you take away the crust do you still have pizza?

Hence if I remove one component from blood is it STILL blood? Since water makes up the biggest part of blood by volume if one takes away the water does one still have blood. By extension, is that water blood?

So once again at what point does BLOOD cease being blood?

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Confession me reply to your message RE Richie

by Beep,Beep in

jw
friends

i do not agree with your reading of "policy".

i base this on personal experience on a couple of fronts.

1. i have yet to come across a single verifiable of a cover up.

Beep,Beep

""I asked you how you defend their rejection of blood based on the"requirement" at Acts 15 and permit (whatever a person individually decides) 100% of whole blood in the form of the variously available blood fractions.""

100% ? I don't think that is an accurate account AuldSoul. I believe that the four major fractions are not permitted. Red cells, white cells, plasma are still unacceptable are they not?

Let me ask you this, at what point does blood cease being blood? If the red blood cells are removed is it still "blood"? How about if the red cells and the white cells are removed? What if you took out the various salts and minerals, do you still have "blood"?

""Now, how do you account for people in Malawi dying, being raped, having their homes razed to the ground, having their children stolen, and more, all for refusing to accept a polictical party card that costs ¢25 while at the same time JWs in Mexico were OFFICIALLY allowed to bribe Mexican governement officials to obtain a certificate showing that they completed their entire period of military service and that they were now in first line for any draft for any military needs the country might have?""

Sorry the only referenceI can find to the alleged actions in Mexico is attributed to Ray Franz. Do you have a reference I can check other than his? While I'm sure that most here take him at his word I do not.

I'll stop here for now.