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  a look to Isaiah.

  by mdb in

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  thus says the lord [yhwh], the king of israel,.

  and his redeemer, the lord [yhwh] of hosts:.

  besides me there is no god.. isaiah 44:6. how many persons are speaking in isaiah 44:6?

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  mdb

  mdb take a look at vs 24.

  Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;
  Isaiah 44:24

  God is the Redeemer: Isaiah 44:24; 48:17; 49:26; 63:16The Lord also says in Isaiah 44:24 that it is He who makes all things.

  Jesus also made all things: Jn 1:3,14; Rom 11:36; 1 Cor 8:6; Col 1:15-17; Heb 1:8-10 (Ps 102:24-27); 2:10; Rev 4:11

  I said, “O my God, Do not take me away in the midst of my days; Your years are throughout all generations. Of old You laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You will endure; Yes, they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will change them, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will have no end.
  Psalm 102:24-27

  But to the Son He says:
  “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
  And:
  “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail.”
  Heb 1:8-12

  You fail to see the OT reference to the Messiah. Or is it that you choose not to see it (whether it be in the book of Isaiah or some other context)? I would presume that you do not believe that Jesus Christ is yhwh and will try to explain any reference to His being yhwh away in order that your beliefs would not be proved wrong. Believe and be saved.
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  a look to Isaiah.

  by mdb in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thus says the lord [yhwh], the king of israel,.

  and his redeemer, the lord [yhwh] of hosts:.

  besides me there is no god.. isaiah 44:6. how many persons are speaking in isaiah 44:6?

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  simply unwarrented and anachronistic

  One other comment,

  Indicating the fact that the Son was existent in the OT, is not anachronistic. Even a JW will admit that the Son was "created first" (though He was not created, but always has been). His appearing in the OT is well within historical, or chronological order.

  For those who believe Jesus Christ is a created being, if this is so, then I suppose there was a time when The Father was not the Father being that He was without a Son.
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  a look to Isaiah.

  by mdb in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thus says the lord [yhwh], the king of israel,.

  and his redeemer, the lord [yhwh] of hosts:.

  besides me there is no god.. isaiah 44:6. how many persons are speaking in isaiah 44:6?

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  mdb

  peachfulpete,

  Look at the original text, not the "translations" (you'll have to excuse the ?? symbols. I can't seem to get the correct font for the below text to display correctly).

  Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts; I the first, and I the last; and beside me no God

  ?amar yhwh melek yis??ra?e¯l g??ûlîm yhwh s?aba? ri?s?own ri?s?own ?ah?a?rown ?ah?a?rown bal?a?dê ?e?lohîm ?e?lohîm

  Determine for yourself which is right. I believe in the above rendering since it also aligns with other Scriptures (as I mentioned in my original post).
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  a look to Isaiah.

  by mdb in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thus says the lord [yhwh], the king of israel,.

  and his redeemer, the lord [yhwh] of hosts:.

  besides me there is no god.. isaiah 44:6. how many persons are speaking in isaiah 44:6?

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  mdb

  “Thus says the Lord [yhwh], the King of Israel,
  And his Redeemer, the Lord [yhwh] of hosts:
  'I am the First and I am the Last;
  Besides Me there is no God.

  Isaiah 44:6

  How many persons are speaking in Isaiah 44:6? 2 distinct persons: yhwh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, yhwh of hosts.

  Jesus is his Redeemer:
  Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
  Gal 3:13,14

  Jesus is the First and the Last:
  And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
  Rev 1:17,18

  In Isaiah 44:6, the Lord and the Lord both say, ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.’
  Jesus Christ is yhwh, Jehovah.
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  no one snatched out of who's hand?

  by mdb in

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  jesus answered them, i told you, and you do not believe.

  the works that i do in my fathers name, they bear witness of me.

  but you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep, as i said to you.

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  He is of godly status above all creation but still God is his head.

  I posted this recently. Maybe you didn't read it or it's possible you read it with your mind already made up.

  Read the account in Gen 17:1

  When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.

  No one can see God's face and live. (Ex 33:20)

  But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.”

  If this is so, who was this "Almighty God" that appeared to Abraham. There is only one Almighty God, that is YHWH (Jehovah).

  I agree with you on this point: God the Father is the head, and Christ the head of man, and man the head of woman. That is Scriptural, but Christ is far more than of having "godly status". He is divine.
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  no one snatched out of who's hand?

  by mdb in

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  jesus answered them, i told you, and you do not believe.

  the works that i do in my fathers name, they bear witness of me.

  but you do not believe, because you are not of my sheep, as i said to you.

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  Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.” (John 10:25-30)

  Those who are saved are in who’s grip: Jesus or the Father? In verse 30, Jesus says that He and the Father are one. Have you ever contemplated the two previous verses as to who’s hand we are securely in? Jesus is claiming His deity here.

  While we're at it, who's Spirit dwells in us who believe?

  But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. ( Rom 8:9-11)
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  need some help plz!

  by needsomehelpwiththis1 in

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  hi everyone i am doing a reaerch report on jehovahs witness and i am a bit stuck on some things.

  if you guys could help me it would be much appreciated.. .

  1. religiouos rituals and customs.. 2.books and writings used by the religion.. 3. countries the religion is practiced in.. 4. what happens after death(belief).

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  Nice smilely face.
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  Can I pick your brain?

  by nerofiddle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  im looking for your help with an issue.

  although im agnostic and not a bible believer, im currently having regular visits/discussions with a couple of jw elders.

  im fully aware of the jw doctrine that christ is a created being and im familiar with scriptural texts and the reasoning they use in support of that claim.

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  The elders will point you to Colossians 1:16

  COL 1:16 (Heb 1:2) Jesus created all things“…created through (Greek: dia) Him…”
  The JW’s claim this is proof that Christ played a “second-hand” role in the creation since God created the world “through” Him.
  The problem is that the same Greek word is used of the world coming into being "through" (dia) God.
  Rom 11:36
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  What Rick Ross reckons

  by Keyboard22 in

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  what rick ross reckons about the ''watchtower case against mr. quotes',thought this would interest you.. thanks very interesting.

  the watchtower probably would not have been able to sustain its claims, with the important exception of copyright regarding their published works.

  this case is virtually identical to scientology litigation in the us and europe.

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  mdb

  What I find amazing is that an organization that claims to be God's "faithful and discreet slave" would take anybody to court. Jesus taught that we should turn the other cheek (Matt 5:38-42). Without a doubt, Jesus would never had taken anyone to court and certainly does not encourage His children to do it. In fact, it is better to be wronged (1 Cor 6:7) and we should try to settle out of court (Matt 5:25; 1 Cor 6:1)

  Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated?
  1 Cor 6:7

  The WTS actions go against the Scriptures (the words of God - who they claim they represent). Pretty poor example to "the flock". Hypocrites.
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  Parousia and invisibe presence

  by Hellrider in

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  i`m discussing something with a jw.

  i claim that the greek "parousia" doesn`t mean invisible presence, it simply means "presence".

  isn`t that correct?

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  mdb

  Jesus not resurrected in the flesh... What? They teach that?

  HRider, your proof...

  "Jesus was the first one to rise from the dead, and therefore he is spoken of as "the firstborn from the dead", "the firstfruits of them that slept." (Colossians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 15:20) This firstborn one from the dead was not raised out of the grave a human creature, but he was raised a spirit. Hence he was the firstfruits, too, of those that would have a heavenly resurrection. "He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit."-1 Peter 3:18, Weymouth." Let God Be True, Watchtower 1946, p.272