matthew 8:28-34. .
this event speaks of the demon known as legion, and jesus allows them to enter swine and they all run off a cliff.
the question i have is why would anyone be herding swine when jewish and islamic doctrine/beliefs do not allow swine to be eaten or touched due to being an unclean animal???
I realise the islam thingy/date - should have specified the generic semitic cultures where pre-islamic arabs pretty much held similiar beliefs to jewish traditions, etc, ie pork...
Its the police state flag of nazi germany 70+ years ago. It is a parody - since what democracy has fought so hard against, has for all intents and purposes become. 1984 is alive and well...
hey... a good friend of mine was visited by 2 elders this evening..and after being treated like something you wouldn't want on your shoe...told her that her parents can no longer have anything to do with her 9 year old boy.
he is not baptized.. her dad is an elder and mum a long standing publisher...can they really insist that the grandparents ignore the child??
they babysit for him when she's at work...she would have to leave her job, and she lives in their house too..although they live elsewhere...her dad is researching this as he is obviously curious as to whether this is scriptural.
However, after rereading your post it appears that the woman lives with her parents under the same roof. I can see this being part of the issue, as per the link above. I would have your friend print out the link above, sit down with her parents and really have a heart to heart talk. I would have her ask her parents if this is really what they want - no more communication or contact with their child and grandchild. Bring up would god really want this? Show the counter arguments in the article link, and get the family reaction. The WTS does seem hell bent on putting pressure against "divided" households.
hey... a good friend of mine was visited by 2 elders this evening..and after being treated like something you wouldn't want on your shoe...told her that her parents can no longer have anything to do with her 9 year old boy.
he is not baptized.. her dad is an elder and mum a long standing publisher...can they really insist that the grandparents ignore the child??
they babysit for him when she's at work...she would have to leave her job, and she lives in their house too..although they live elsewhere...her dad is researching this as he is obviously curious as to whether this is scriptural.
This may help:
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/disfellowship-shunning.php
Sounds like her dad is afraid of losing his position. Why would the father even call the other elders for assistance, thats like calling the police to come help with a family argument - someone is going to jail...
i stopped being a jw altogether when i went into college and took philosophy classes and started thinking for myself.
i understand a lot of you former jw's are still theists, in fact it seems probably the majority of you are.
i am agnostic, meaning i don't feel there is enough evidence for against either cause to subscribe my lifestyle to one belief.. .
I think things are not as simple as evolution or creation, god, whatever. Hell, string theory, studies that this entire thing might be a hologram, etc. shed light on the fact that we know that we know nothing. In the end who cares. Live life because we eventually die.
hey... a good friend of mine was visited by 2 elders this evening..and after being treated like something you wouldn't want on your shoe...told her that her parents can no longer have anything to do with her 9 year old boy.
he is not baptized.. her dad is an elder and mum a long standing publisher...can they really insist that the grandparents ignore the child??
they babysit for him when she's at work...she would have to leave her job, and she lives in their house too..although they live elsewhere...her dad is researching this as he is obviously curious as to whether this is scriptural.
Plus, if your friend has not told the elders anything, they still have to go by the two witness rule. Tell your friend to DENY, DENY, DENY... keep their mouth shut and fade.
hey... a good friend of mine was visited by 2 elders this evening..and after being treated like something you wouldn't want on your shoe...told her that her parents can no longer have anything to do with her 9 year old boy.
he is not baptized.. her dad is an elder and mum a long standing publisher...can they really insist that the grandparents ignore the child??
they babysit for him when she's at work...she would have to leave her job, and she lives in their house too..although they live elsewhere...her dad is researching this as he is obviously curious as to whether this is scriptural.
Sounds like your across the pond... :) "Can they forbid them from seeing the grandchild?" - In reality that is like me telling you, you can NEVER go see a movie at a theater ever again... kind of stupid to tell a grown adult what they can and cannot do... you get the idea though of how stupid the cult is...
However, from their own doctrine they CANNOT forbid the grandparents from seeing their grandchild. They are providing a service for their daughter who is the one that may be DF'd, not the child. The relationship between the daughter and her parents would be one of a mutual work agreement, would not hurt to perhaps draw up a contract, for the sake of the parents if they are ever questioned by the elders, at least they could present something to the affect that this BUSINESS NOT SOCIAL. The child has not done anything wrong, nor is baptized from what I understand, nor has been "punished" by "god", and thus the actions of her mother have no influence on the standing of the child to their grandparents.
Pretty sick how the WTS operates. None of this should be an issue, but I can see the elders going above and beyond in their self rightous BS. Anyways, to appease the elders, and to put the grandparents at rest, and a way out, I would draw up a simple contract for "baby sitting", perhaps with a nominal fee (at least on paper), or "free", have it witnessed, notorized, etc. and if the grandparents are questioned in the future they can pesent the document, tell the elders it is 100% business related, which the WTS has indicated is OK to do.
matthew 8:28-34. .
this event speaks of the demon known as legion, and jesus allows them to enter swine and they all run off a cliff.
the question i have is why would anyone be herding swine when jewish and islamic doctrine/beliefs do not allow swine to be eaten or touched due to being an unclean animal???
OK, interesting. That would make sense then. Now assuming all this is a true story, why would a demon called legion, which I believe is 6000, want to leave humans for pigs and then run off into death, leaving no host???
hey... a good friend of mine was visited by 2 elders this evening..and after being treated like something you wouldn't want on your shoe...told her that her parents can no longer have anything to do with her 9 year old boy.
he is not baptized.. her dad is an elder and mum a long standing publisher...can they really insist that the grandparents ignore the child??
they babysit for him when she's at work...she would have to leave her job, and she lives in their house too..although they live elsewhere...her dad is researching this as he is obviously curious as to whether this is scriptural.
I do not see why this would be a problem. The WTS has indicated that for a BUSINESS only relationship, which this is, it is not wrong to associate as long as NO spiritual encouragement takes place. This sounds like payback for somethin. May I ask why she is being "freed"?
matthew 8:28-34. .
this event speaks of the demon known as legion, and jesus allows them to enter swine and they all run off a cliff.
the question i have is why would anyone be herding swine when jewish and islamic doctrine/beliefs do not allow swine to be eaten or touched due to being an unclean animal???
Matthew 8:28-34
This event speaks of the demon known as Legion, and jesus allows them to enter swine and they all run off a cliff. The question I have is why would anyone be herding swine when Jewish AND Islamic doctrine/beliefs do NOT allow swine to be eaten or touched due to being an unclean animal??? From a story perspective the demon(s) would be unclean and thus enter into an unclean animal - I get this part, but from a factual perspective (if you take the account literal) I was under the impression that swine would not be raised as a source of food, etc???
...and its pretty cool.
took me four hours to take the grapes off the stems.
had about 25 lbs from my vine (white grapes).
Seems to be going ok. Transfered to a carboy will let sit for ~4 weeks. I noticed that I have about 1" of crap at the bottom, and the wine has turned to a light peach color.
