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  "Publisher Cards"..

  by young hearts, be free.. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well it's been a while since i posted here, hope you're all well !!

  i've been wondering for a while, you know those "publisher record cards" that the jw's hold which detail each "publisher", well i remember reading that they are not for the person to view, they are strictly for the elders use..if that's the case, (that bugged me even when when i was a jw) would that not be a breach of the privacy act ??

  man that secret squirrel shit pissed me off !!

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  There are ways to get them when you leave. My wife and I managed to get ours:

  
  

  ITHINKISEE Update: Hijacking our publisher record cards=SUCCESS!

  
  -ithinkisee
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  O.K. Everyone..Here it is!! Grayson v.s. Insight Book!!!

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here are the scanned copies i promised i would post.

  thanks to my wonderful husband, he made it all possible, as he is a computer whiz!

  these copies show the out and out deception on the part of the organization.

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  I know this is an old post, but I just wanted to correct that Dozer guy regarding brackets:
  
  YES IT IS OKAY to put in brackets even if the writer does not agree with the work they are quoting from.
  
  NO IT IS NOT OKAY to actually misrepresent what an author says.
  
  -ithinkisee
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  Jehovah's Witnesses are Democrats!

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i always suspected it!

  http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/images/image040.gif.

  most of course claimed to be independent or gave no answer to this question.

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  I think active JWs like to pick the best of both worlds. Like government assistance, but they also value and abuse the law regarding religious freedom - which is arguably republican I guess.
  
  I think most exJWs would be considered Democrats, since Dems seem to be the "tolerant" party. (Again, this is arguable I suppose).
  
  Unless the exJWs go the Born Again route, then they might be Republican.
  
  I guess there's really no generalizing.
  
  -ithinkisee
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  The Watchtower After Hours: Education?

  by Anitar in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good afternoon everyone and welcome to my new series of reports i like to call the watchtower after hours, where we examine many various topics relating to jehovah witnesses, mostly found on their own website: http://www.watchtower.org/.

  i'd like to point out that these articles are all current or previous publications of the watchtower society, and have not been written or changed by me.

  the following commentary is usually quite sarcastic and if any current jehovah witness is reading this they are more than welcome to post their opinion, and i apologize in advance for offending anyone.

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  You could change some words:

  For that matter, people admired for their intellectual achievementselders admired for their Organization achievements may develop undesirable personality traits, fail in their family life, or even end up committing suicide.

  There are many many powerful elders who;s children are not JWs and are estranged from them. The same goes for many powerful Organization leaders in the Writing Department, C.O.'s D.O.'s, etc.

  The niece of one of the main men in writing department contacted me through JWD regarding a writer I mentioned by name in one of my early posts. The whole rest of his family thinks he is a complete wackjob and is the butt of most family jokes.
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  Dawkins on Jehovah's Witnesses' "Creation" book

  by slimboyfat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone read dawkins new book the god delusion yet?

  he discusses the creation book on pages 119-121. he says that he discusses this particular tract only because it has had such a wide circulation - no fewer than 6 of which have been sent to him personally.

  well i think he has at least 7 copies by now because i personally know one witness who sent him one following his recent the roof of all evil?

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  There is a great article over at WIRED with additional detail on his book and his motivations behind the book:

  http://www.wired.com/news/wiredmag/0,71985-0.html

  -ithinkisee
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  Someday Non-Voters might regret staying home-ex-JW speaks out

  by Dogpatch in

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  2. friends

  http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/emaf.nsf/popup?readform&db=stltoday%5cnews%5ccolumnists.nsf&docid=5efe7838d864e3fe8625721f00071e7f.

  someday, nonvoters might regret staying home.

  by sylvester brown jr.. st. louis post-dispatch.

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  ::::yah but these politicians are nothing more than con men . To vote for them is a vote for corruption . That's the way I see it . They lie their way into office then blame the opponent for all the their problems they can't fix . I didn't vote and probly will never .

  Then don't complain about the government.

  -ithinkisee
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  What will Pres. G. Bush do now?

  by hambeak in

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  2. friends

  after watching his impromptu press conference yesterday on abc i am convinced that clown wants a war with either n. korea or iran.

  what do you folks think?

  especially your take across the pond as you say.

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  What I like is Bush's comments that he doesn't want to invade North Korea without first getting all the facts.

  Hmmm ... wonder why he didn't do that with Iraq.

  -ithinkisee
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  JWs Stopped By!!

  by RichieRich in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, i had just woke up, and i was sitting on my couch.

  i'm wearing a pair of worn khaki shorts, and a tshirt.. there is a subtle knock on the door.

  so, i walk over to the door.

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  Kick ass. That was cool.

  Happy halloween brutha.

  Our jack-o-lanterns ...

  -ithinkisee
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  The Tragedy of Fundamentalism (WARNING to all Pharisees! LARGE PRINT!)

  by Geronimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so many of the former jws here have embraced a religion that differs little from the jehovah's witnesses.

  worse yet, that fact reveals the basic wiring flaws of many fundies and evangelicals who post here.. .

  first off, they embrace an even nastier god.

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  It's the "Jesus is God" thing that really gets to me.

  The other thing that gets me is the blanket labeling that scientists are out to "destroy the bible". Many scientists, archeaologists, and historians would LOVE to believe the Bible. In fact, getting into their particular field of expertise was quite often because they wanted to research that stuff.

  Unfortunately, the deeper you research the more you realize the way things are portrayed by the religions are not as "concrete" as they would like you to believe. Think of your JW exit but magnify it 100 times and roll some world powers, crusades, political upheaval, and emperors into it (JWs never had any power or influence that was THAT grand). You have a farce on a grand scale.

  So when a scientist rolls their eyes at a misguided fundie comment it is not because they necessarily have a vendetta against the bible - many times it is because they know that person is making a comment based on misinformation.

  (That being said, there are some scientists that DO have a vendetta. I'm simply saying I am frustrated with the blanket label of scientists being anti-religion.)

  Of course, then there is the age-old problem that a beautiful religious story is always inherently better on the psyche of most people than simply saying that we die and then nothing happens. This has always been the case, and unfortunately, will probably continue to be the case for a few hundred more years. (My uneducated guess only of course)

  -ithinkisee
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  When you started to arrive on your decision about leaving

  by The wanderer in

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  dividuals reading the answer directly out of the watchtower magazine .

  and my thoughts were " does anyone in this place have any imag-.

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  When you started to arrive on your decision about leaving

  It happened at an assembly when I began noticing the pattern of saying that we are all miserable evil sinful humans. It was a gut feeling that I had stumbled across a pattern of manipulation. Shortly after that we got an article essentially banning yoga. I remember thinking to myself this was ridiculous because I felt it was because they just didn't want anyone to feel good about themselves. Freedomlover was visibly pissed about it too, but kept quiet about it. Shortly after that I learned that hypnotism was not an opening for demons as I was raised to believe, but was the same state that we go into every night right as we fall asleep.

  Leaving Intellectually

  Similar to above, but it also involved being schooled by some Born again Christians on things like the original Greek and then some historical stuff about the cross the Society conveniently left out of their literature. (No, I don't consider myself Christian anymore.) Then the 607 stuff and the tons of misquotes they use on many other topics pretty much sealed the deal.

  Leaving Emotionally

  I believe being a witness either causes you to become either (a) hyper-emotional or (b) completely unemotional. And the ones that become unemotional usually do because they are actually hyper-emotional as well but become skilled at masking it. I have a feeling that's probably me. So I have been able to walk away from the whole social structure and JW family members with my chin up for the most part. The friends was easy because I became aware of superficial social structure way before I started doubting. And having been all over the country I knew that it was not unique to our congregation.

  The family stuff is a little harder. Sometimes now I tend to lump them in with the superficial friends to make it easier mentally ... but I know I probably won't be able to forever.

  Questions for the Audience

  1.) When you arrived at your personal crossroad to leave was that based on emotions, intellect or some other factor?

  A little of everything.

  2.) Was your leaving the organization a slow steady breaking away or a quick affair?

  Mentally quick. Physically slow but worth it.

  3.) What string of emotions did you carry before you made the final step?

  Some guilt of leaving family behind that I love. Some of the labels they like to slap on you hurt a bit, about being a faultfinder and arrogant and selfish and so forth. Even though I have not given many of them the opportunity to tell me, I know they think it.

  Good thread. I hope more people post their thoughts.

  -ithinkisee