It is exactly this rhetoric that kept me in my abusive relationship for 7 LONG years. First of all, this has softened to be more politically correct from the time when I was a little girl, when women were beaten and martyred regularly (she was posthumously glorified if she allowed herself to be beaten to death by an abusive spouse not in the "truth"--it was THE ONLY TIME I HEARD WOMEN BEING GLORIFIED OR PRAISED!! AND IT USED TO SCARE ME TO DEATH AS A LITTLE GIRL!--I knew whatever happened, I'd better scream and fight if someone tried to rape me, and I'd better shut up and put up, if my husband was beating me even to death.
You see that little catch, they always slip in, about "life threatening", hazardous to health...blah blah blah. Well, you see, when you are being hit at home, it goes round and round in your head. At first, it's not life threatening, you see (and you LOOOOVE him sooooo much, and you want to be oh so loyal to Jehovah, who hates bad little disobedient wifies!!), and it's "well, he leaves marks not bruises. And then, one day, ooops! there's a bruise, but you're already in that mental loop. Then it's well, as long as he doesn't hurt my child(ren) and then one day, you come home from the grocery store (you hardly ever dare leave the kids alone with him, but you do this ONE TIME), and they've got a swollen face. And you call the elder, see, and because they're "just innocent lil' ole' untrained volunteers" who've been fed the same rhetoric--DON'T DARE WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER DIVORCEE--WIDOW AND ORPHAN(S) TO TAKE CARE OF--they say things like "well, he shouldn't hit her on the face". And all the time, it's never what you'd call "life threatening"--those words are ALWAYS running round and round and round in your head, and you want to please jehovah SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad. And finally you look in the mirror one day, and you don't even know who you are anymore. And finally you're so burnt out, you would welcome death instead of this living death. So, you get up the gumption to leave. You say, he might kill me, but it's worth it.
I am pissed! I am disgusted. Women for the most part are viewed as subhuman in the organization. And all their attempts at being p.c., and their crappy little Awakes giving PURE LIP SERVICE to a woman's exalted place--won't erase their deplorable history on women's and childrens' rights!
Bridgette
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Nov. 8 Awake - Wife Beaters-Sick
by MrMoe ini will let you all hang who ever the heck wrote this crap.
november 8, 2001 awake page 9: some battered women may need to seek assistance from the authorities.
at times, a point of crisis-such as intervention of the police-can cause an abusive man to see the seriousness of the action.. page 12: should the battered wife leave her husband?
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Will YOU be the next dead American?
by Nathan Natas ini respectfully request that you take a few moments to read the following article, and i would appreciate hearing your responses.. - - - -.
future widows of america: write your congressman.
by ann coulter.
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Well as smattered as it was with seemingly Republican rhetoric, I have to agree somewhat, with what she's saying, IF I understand what she's saying correctly (mouthful). And what I thought she was saying was, simply implement the CURRENT Immigration laws??? to deport those not here legally, with the door open for them to return? In order to investigate whether or not they are terrorists? I could get on board with that, as long as it didn't become an emotion based, crazed witch hunt. I also want American-based hate groups propogated on the web who wrap themselves in the banner of white, christian America under the microscope. I also like LD's getting to know our neighbors--like a huge neighborhood watch. But I don't want McCarthyism, either. What I'd like to see come out of that, is more love and understanding developing on the individual level. I'd love to make friends with some of their women--teach them how to be a good, strong American woman who knows and stands up for her rights! Now, that would undermine. In fact, feminist groups have been active with the women living under Taliban rule for a while.
Anyway, I want to live in a world, where people don't care what my last name is, what I do or DON'T do for worship (as long as I harm none), what I believe, what color my skin is, what I have for genetalia. I also desperately I want to live in a world where people are not trying to kill me and my children and my neighbors. Somebody across the world declared a holy war on this country. Didn't he declare that some time ago? AND this has not been the first attack--just the first on American soil, with the promise of more? Didn't he warn in Britain that this was coming? Aren't the precepts of his beliefs that everyone should worship like he does? Doesn't he feel free (even religiously obligated) to enforce with DEATH if necessary these beliefs? Aren't there a lot of others like him? Correct me if I'm wrong on any count, because I'm BY NO MEANS an expert on arabic-american relations. I'm trying to sort all of this crap out. And also let me add, that my FIRST thought was that this was some right wing maniac ala-Timothy McVeigh when this first happened. I was actually a little surprised that it appears to be Osama at the root of it. And actually, beyond him, religious fundamentalism.
I want peace. But even Amnesty International (I just joined--highly recommend it!) investigates prisoners thoroughly and won't sponsor ANYONE who promotes or propagates violence. Can America do the same? I see the danger of people letting their emotions get in the way, old ugly prejudices get in the way of rationale and true justice. We stand at a crossroads. It takes a far more intelligent, and informed person than myself to figure it all out. But one thing I DO KNOW, I want to be alive tomorrow with the breath and brain power to educate myself on these matters and brainstorm about how to solve these problems, and not vaporized like some of those in the WTC, or have my organs liquifying from Anthrax, or my lungs shriveling from nerve gas.
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THIS got WT Leaders thrown in Jail
by Tallyman inhow many of you were aware that watchtower leaders were .
charged with, tried and convicted of sedition.
during world war i ?.
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S.,
Thanks. going to search engine to learn more.
Bridgette
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OK, This is what I have to say
by peacepipe ini need to put my two cents in about this even though i'm reading it a couple days after the last post.. when i think of the death of those i care about i usually have no problem picturing them going to heaven forever: some people just to me seem like there is nowhere else they could be.
those who i've been close to that have died that i'm questionable about them actually going to heaven i feel like in some way as long as there are those of us here to remember them they are still kept alive somehow.
when i really think about my own death i have a panic attack.
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Tina,
I was going to reply much the same way: that what we see with the children on milk cartons is a heightened awareness of something that has been around for the ages--the subjugation of the weaker of the species. But I see it getting better (people at least want to change this). We are screaming collectively to evolve. However, the attitudes of some, (i.e., teenagers who shot up school) are evolutionary throwbacks (not going to debate evolution of humans, I use word here to mean social progression). However, there are much more of us now--when maniacs crop up in the group of over 6 billion of us, and now they have semi auto's instead of bows, arrows, or slings, it makes a HUGE rift in the human family. Also, we live in the age of information--mass media makes these occurances accessible to everyone, so everyone feels it. Which is a good thing, because the majority of us who want change collectively brainstorm and take action to end it.
HOWEVER, at this point, I don't even want to discourage UnclePenn from his work. I chuckle at the thought of two unsuspecting dubs at his door "come on in!" our Uncle Penn says with a welcoming smile. I know he won't do them any harm, they get in out of the sun for a few minutes, and at least, if only for a moment or two, they have to actually THINK, as he questions them. And we all know how dubs hate to think about questions that don't have the nice neat, pat little WT answers. Then, once they start thinking, who knows WHERE they could end up?
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OK, This is what I have to say
by peacepipe ini need to put my two cents in about this even though i'm reading it a couple days after the last post.. when i think of the death of those i care about i usually have no problem picturing them going to heaven forever: some people just to me seem like there is nowhere else they could be.
those who i've been close to that have died that i'm questionable about them actually going to heaven i feel like in some way as long as there are those of us here to remember them they are still kept alive somehow.
when i really think about my own death i have a panic attack.
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Penn,
Are you sure you were never a witness? You just sound so much like one sometimes: the way you turn your phrases. Were you ever in close association with any?
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OK, This is what I have to say
by peacepipe ini need to put my two cents in about this even though i'm reading it a couple days after the last post.. when i think of the death of those i care about i usually have no problem picturing them going to heaven forever: some people just to me seem like there is nowhere else they could be.
those who i've been close to that have died that i'm questionable about them actually going to heaven i feel like in some way as long as there are those of us here to remember them they are still kept alive somehow.
when i really think about my own death i have a panic attack.
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Can I just give my two cents on the heightened enlightenment that we see unfolding in civilization? You are seeing pockets (small but rapidly growing) segments of population growing exponentially in enlightenment (read Gary Zukav's "Seat of the Soul" or visit www.zukav.com). With this change comes much upheaval. I see a huge difference in the way we, as humans have grown, not just intellectually but spiritually. Penn gave the example of the 40's morality compared to today's morality. I would not have wanted to live in the 40's for anything. Look at how much our ideals have grown as a species. Look, at the way blacks, or any minorities were viewed back then. Growing up in the south just in the 70's and 80's, I can tell you that MANY of those I knew of from that generation viewed them as subhuman--a notion that any enlightened being totally rejects. The 40's might have been a great world for the christian white male, but look at the lynchings that took place, (not to pick on the bible, Penn--but I sense you attempting to make the argument that if we'd all just turn to the bible, we'd live in a hunky dory world, so, I have to look at what the bible has truly given us), but much of the prejudice took place with the core belief that the black man was the offspring of a cursed grandson of Noah, and therefore deserved it. And not to mention the way women were viewed.
Anyway, Penn, you wrote one very insightful thing (of many): "something tells me that we are not going to change each others views."
True, but I have to say once again, I appreciate your style. You don't give one the impression of "foaming at the mouth", your arguments are usually fairly well thought out, and you ask intelligent questions, I like that! *sigh* if only all fundies could be like you
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OK, This is what I have to say
by peacepipe ini need to put my two cents in about this even though i'm reading it a couple days after the last post.. when i think of the death of those i care about i usually have no problem picturing them going to heaven forever: some people just to me seem like there is nowhere else they could be.
those who i've been close to that have died that i'm questionable about them actually going to heaven i feel like in some way as long as there are those of us here to remember them they are still kept alive somehow.
when i really think about my own death i have a panic attack.
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Peacepipe!
you wrote: "people are only DREAMING that reality and there are only a handful of minds who dare to escape and go to the TRUTH which isn't all that pleasant."
*sigh** everytime you post, I'm heartened. The ancients called this illusion maya, the Hindus had another name for it. But this concept is very ancient; that we are actually living in a "dream" or illusion, however, the reality or truth that we are asleep to is VERY pleasant, but our fear is what holds us back from communing with "god" (the reality). I can't wrap my mind around it all, I'll admit. I have ascertained only this in my path (which has no name, no denomination, no "group"), that the highest thing we can do, is to love one another. Humanists do this as a matter of course, adn out of feeling for the species as a whole, and don't want anyone legislating it, which makes it more solid, but christians and some other monotheistic religionists are mandated to love, which makes it more malleable, if said legislation suddenly mandates that we "hate" and kill someone who's different. But when you love, you are speaking "god's" language.
Now, as for Adam and Eve--it's very interesting to note that there was a very benevolent agricultural goddess whose symbol was a serpent in Cannan. The worshipers of El (who later became Elohim, who later became Yaweh, who later became Jehovah) felt very threatened culturally by this, and so it is surmised that they developed the myth of (woman + agriculture [apple] = unleashing of all evil upon earth). Or so I've read. I'm a student on this earth school. Very few things do I know for a certainty, except that we should be nice to each other.
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THIS got WT Leaders thrown in Jail
by Tallyman inhow many of you were aware that watchtower leaders were .
charged with, tried and convicted of sedition.
during world war i ?.
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Saint Satan,
Now there's an idea! "No jw, mormon, muslim, christian, or larouchians (you know) allowed to peddle or push their religions, either from door to door or in any public place..."
I've often wondered about biblegod's need to employ multi-level marketing techniques. At least the old gods and goddesses have a little dignity. They do not feel the need to have their adherants hawk their wares on the street corners, door to door, or on TV infomercials. No offense to followers of biblegod, but it's actually a little embarassing to watch at times.
You KNOW when one of the ancient ones is inviting you to get to know them. "God" is best heard in complete silence....
how's your meditation going?
Peace,
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OK, This is what I have to say
by peacepipe ini need to put my two cents in about this even though i'm reading it a couple days after the last post.. when i think of the death of those i care about i usually have no problem picturing them going to heaven forever: some people just to me seem like there is nowhere else they could be.
those who i've been close to that have died that i'm questionable about them actually going to heaven i feel like in some way as long as there are those of us here to remember them they are still kept alive somehow.
when i really think about my own death i have a panic attack.
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Oh and, while I'm not Julie, can I butt in and say, I beleive enlightenment is DEFINITELY growing. No, not in every individual--but in pockets, it's growing in leaps and bounds. Many sociologists are calling this another rennaisance. And yes, in the first rennsaisance, you saw GREAT upheaval in human society. But you also saw some of the greatest scientific ideas, art and philosophical growths ever. As a result, unfortunately, the church attempted to stifle free thought, but thankfully to no avail. She came around, as will the church today.
I enjoy your style, Unclepenn. At least you make me think instead of sigh, or chuckle!
Peace and Laughs,
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OK, This is what I have to say
by peacepipe ini need to put my two cents in about this even though i'm reading it a couple days after the last post.. when i think of the death of those i care about i usually have no problem picturing them going to heaven forever: some people just to me seem like there is nowhere else they could be.
those who i've been close to that have died that i'm questionable about them actually going to heaven i feel like in some way as long as there are those of us here to remember them they are still kept alive somehow.
when i really think about my own death i have a panic attack.
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Uncle Penn,
I am simply curious, were you ever a witness (something you said in another post)?Pax,
Bridgette