Posts by slimboyfat

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JW Writing Committee has a dilemma with Stephen's prayer

by BoogerMan in

(acts 7:59, 60) "and they went on casting stones at stephen as he made appeal* and said: “lord jesus, receive my spirit.” then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” and after saying this he fell asleep [in death].

" *or, “invocation; prayer.” nwt reference bible).

w59 2/1 p. 96 - jesus had taught his followers that the father authorized him to raise others to life.

slimboyfat

Well if we are being stoned to death, see a vision of Jesus next to God, and feel moved to speak directly to Jesus then I don’t suppose there would be anything wrong with that at all. On the other hand, in terms of prayers at meetings, and private prayers, it seems reasonable to follow Jesus’ instruction to pray to God in Jesus’ name as was the practice of the first Christians.

The practice of praying direct to Christ in the Liturgy, as distinct from praying to God through Christ, appears to have originated among the innovating 'orthodox' opponents of Arianism in the fourth century. It slowly spread, against a good deal of opposition, eventually to produce Christocentric piety and theology.
Don Cupitt ‘The Christ of Christendom’ in The Myth of God Incarnate (1977), John Hick Ed., page 142.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

Maybe a refund is in order rather than merely “much thought and deliberation”. If patrons were automatically refunded for pledges not kept, then he’d no doubt deliberate a bit harder before weaselling out.

He can’t stand his patrons that’s, why he can hardly bring himself to interact with them. He knows by this point that his remaining patrons must either be morons, morally debased as himself, or somehow remain in the dark about his behaviours and haven’t yet encountered his true self.

Yes his patrons numbers are drifting down yet again after the latest mini beg.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

I don't think he has the patience or energy to delete literally hundreds of tweets (possibly thousands). And I know it would just kill him to delete his account. His only option is to pray to Jehovah

He would get Tibor to do it before he’d do it himself. His job is basically to do whatever LE can’t be bothered, which turns out to be an expanding list.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

LE doesn’t block people because he doesn’t want to see what they are saying, he blocks them because he doesn’t want other people to see what is being truthfully said about him. The proposed personal mute button simply wouldn’t cut it for that purpose.

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Why are aqwsed12345 post`s so long ?

by smiddy3 in

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there is no way i will even try to read such long posts and i`m sure many others here would agree with me.. smiddy3.

slimboyfat

Maybe he’s entering his own text into ChatGPT with the prompt: can you say this exact same thing but with 10 x as many words? 🤔

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JW Writing Committee has a dilemma with Stephen's prayer

by BoogerMan in

(acts 7:59, 60) "and they went on casting stones at stephen as he made appeal* and said: “lord jesus, receive my spirit.” then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” and after saying this he fell asleep [in death].

" *or, “invocation; prayer.” nwt reference bible).

w59 2/1 p. 96 - jesus had taught his followers that the father authorized him to raise others to life.

slimboyfat

Fair enough if all you mean to show is that Watchtower has made contradictory statements on the topic. Watchtower has in the past also said that Jesus is to be “worshipped”, as in the early NWT rendering of Heb 1.6, for example.

The New Testament itself has different perspectives and emphases as it was written by many different authors. However it’s pretty clear that the early Christians distinguishes between God and Jesus and worshipped God through Jesus, everything ultimately being to the glory of God the Father.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

Variation on an old JW joke: what’s the difference between LE and an elder? You can reason with an elder!

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JW Writing Committee has a dilemma with Stephen's prayer

by BoogerMan in

(acts 7:59, 60) "and they went on casting stones at stephen as he made appeal* and said: “lord jesus, receive my spirit.” then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” and after saying this he fell asleep [in death].

" *or, “invocation; prayer.” nwt reference bible).

w59 2/1 p. 96 - jesus had taught his followers that the father authorized him to raise others to life.

slimboyfat

The comments of the Catholic theologian Hans Küng in his book Christianity: The Religious Situation of Our Time on this passage are spot on:

“There is probably no better story in the New Testament to show us the relationship of Father, Son and Spirit than that of the speech made by the protomartyr Stephen in his own defence, which has been handed down to us by Luke in his Acts of the Apostles. During this speech Stephen has a vision: 'But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” So here we have God, Jesus the Son of Man, and the Holy Spirit. But Stephen does not see, say, a God with three faces, far less three men in the same form, nor any triangular symbol of the kind that was to be used centuries later in Western Christian art. Rather:
The Holy Spirit is at Stephen's side, is in Stephen himself. The Spirit, the invisible power and might issuing from God, fills him fully and thus opens his eyes: in the Spirit heaven opens to him.
God himself (ho theos = the God) remains hidden, is not in human form; only his 'glory' (Hebrew kabod, Greek doxa) is visible: God's splendour and power, the brilliance of light which issues fully from him.
Finally Jesus, visible as the Son of Man, stands (and we already know the significance of this formula) at ‘the right hand of God’: that means in throne communion with God, in the same power and slory, Palled as Son of God and taken up into God's eternal life. He is God’s representative for us and at the same time, as a human being, the human representative before God.”

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JW Writing Committee has a dilemma with Stephen's prayer

by BoogerMan in

(acts 7:59, 60) "and they went on casting stones at stephen as he made appeal* and said: “lord jesus, receive my spirit.” then, bending his knees, he cried out with a strong voice: “jehovah, do not charge this sin against them.” and after saying this he fell asleep [in death].

" *or, “invocation; prayer.” nwt reference bible).

w59 2/1 p. 96 - jesus had taught his followers that the father authorized him to raise others to life.

slimboyfat

Absolutely what vienne said, this was a response by Stephen to seeing Jesus visibly, completely different from a prayer. Another such instance is Revelation 22 where John saw Jesus in a vision and spoke to him directly. Again not a prayer. In the NT prayers are said to God alone.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

Nic there’s more chance of Putin and Zelensky winning as a pair on the Strictly Come Dancing programme than there is of LE admitting even one of the faults and apologising.