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slimboyfat
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1290 JW Congregations have been deleted since 4th Dec 2022
by ComingOutaMyCage inhttps://i.redd.it/hd9p1g3ssr2b1.jpg.
1290 jw congregations have been deleted since 4th dec 2022. i have a full map so you can explore active/deleted congs, and also orphaned halls https://analytics.jws-library.one/viewmap.html.
many of the deletions in the usa appear to be foreign language groups.
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1290 JW Congregations have been deleted since 4th Dec 2022
by ComingOutaMyCage inhttps://i.redd.it/hd9p1g3ssr2b1.jpg.
1290 jw congregations have been deleted since 4th dec 2022. i have a full map so you can explore active/deleted congs, and also orphaned halls https://analytics.jws-library.one/viewmap.html.
many of the deletions in the usa appear to be foreign language groups.
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slimboyfat
They did announce a few years ago that they were scaling back âforeign languageâ because it wasnât as productive as they hoped.
Does a foreign language âgroupâ count as a congregation in the figures?
Is the possible to name the 16 congregations that have closed in Britain?
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What`s the reason some of you think JW`s are in decline ?
by smiddy3 infrom what i can see no such thing is happening.i became a jw in 1960 and remained for about 30 years and the numbers of active jw`s today in the world are far greater than they were back then.. and here in australia the numbers are much higher than they were back then .. so i don`t see that their in decline or have any worries about losing support .. don`t the numbers speak for themselves ?.
is it just wishful thinking on your part ?.
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slimboyfat
Iâve been at an assembly where there were no baptisms at all. They gave the baptism talk anyway. Automatons.
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What`s the reason some of you think JW`s are in decline ?
by smiddy3 infrom what i can see no such thing is happening.i became a jw in 1960 and remained for about 30 years and the numbers of active jw`s today in the world are far greater than they were back then.. and here in australia the numbers are much higher than they were back then .. so i don`t see that their in decline or have any worries about losing support .. don`t the numbers speak for themselves ?.
is it just wishful thinking on your part ?.
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slimboyfat
In 20 years it will be gone. I've noticed young couples are not having children
It takes a long, long time for churches to die out completely. The Methodist church in the UK began declining in the 1930s and has been declining steeply ever since. Even so they will likely not die out completely until the 2040s. Thatâs over a hundred years of steady decline before they will close their doors entirely. JWs on the other hand have not even begun to decline yet.
This is a graph of Methodist growth and decline over a 300 year period.
https://churchmodel.org.uk/2016/11/16/the-rise-and-decline-of-british-methodism/
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What`s the reason some of you think JW`s are in decline ?
by smiddy3 infrom what i can see no such thing is happening.i became a jw in 1960 and remained for about 30 years and the numbers of active jw`s today in the world are far greater than they were back then.. and here in australia the numbers are much higher than they were back then .. so i don`t see that their in decline or have any worries about losing support .. don`t the numbers speak for themselves ?.
is it just wishful thinking on your part ?.
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slimboyfat
In the UK JW numbers have fluctuated around 120,000 to 140,000 for the past 30 years. They are neither growing nor declining to any great extent. But this is in contrast with the vast majority of other churches that are in steep decline. The Church of England, Church of Scotland, and the Methodist church have all declined by well over 50% in that same period.
I thought JWs would decline after the generation teaching was dropped in 1995, and after the Internet became mainstream and ubiquitous around 2000, but it never happened. But I donât think JWs can defy gravity forever: the same trend of secularisation that affects all other churches will eventually come to them also. Thatâs barring major word events such as world war, deadly plague, technological upheaval, or the like, which could disrupt long term secularisation trends unpredictably.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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slimboyfat
What a disgusting little rat. He claims Kim told âmany, many liesâ about him. The only âliesâ heâs ever actually been specific about is his obnoxious quibble about whether visiting prostitutes every couple of months meets the definition of âregularâ, and whether it is fair to point to publicly available revenue figures as an indication of income. It is beyond pathetic to claim that these are in any way relevant to the central concerns people, including survivors, have about his behaviour. If he really needs anyone to spell out the connection between using sex workers in Thailand and his so-called advocacy for abuse survivors then he needs his head examined to put it politely. I donât think he is genuinely asking for an âexplanationâ, he just enjoys demanding an âexplanationâ out of someone who is a survivor. She doesnât owe him any kind of explanation at all. And again with all the talk of âbullyingâ and his âmental healthâ as if he is some sort of victim. The nerve of this freak is just sickening. When you think the bottom of the barrel has been scraped he scrapes deeper.
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The Org. covering up the SHUNNING POLICY !!
by Phizzy inhttps://avoidjw.org/news/jehovahs-witnesses-mysteriously-deleted-shunning-videos/?fbclid=iwar3jjfsa3zx-4kxrdtjwopmzty-5wxhrxm1-gvjtp9j20ovqfpxh.
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slimboyfat
If her mother phoned upset , begged her to answer , how did she know that it was not a bona fide emergency?
If a relative is crying and pleading for an answer I would argue that is by definition an emergency. I simply canât understand what is going through the heads of the people producing these videos.
And then you get the Watchtower lawyer in Canada who claimed that family life is not impacted. I just canât understand how they care barefaced lie like this. Either they should stand by the so-called âprincipleâ of shunning, or they should abandon it. This trying to have it both ways reflects really badly on them.
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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.
by LostintheFog1999 ini see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
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slimboyfat
The removal of the divine name from the New Testament confused the identities of the Lord God and the Lord Jesus and paved the way for the later Trinity doctrine.
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For those following the JW headquarters reaction to the UK documentary - Rebekah Vardy: Jehovah's Witnesses and Me
by jwleaks inin addition to the jws false and misleading denial that rebekah vardy was ever a jehovah's witness, a few other interesting developments occurred that are worth noting:.
1. an article in the last days newsletter reporting on how the jw[.
]org website scrubbed clean its jw 'news' page and produced an entire new glossary of jw terminally meaning for the media:.
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slimboyfat
The deleted videos have apparently been published on the ExJW Caleb channel. They are awful. But what is amazing is that Watchtower has recoiled from publishing them. Has the tide started to turn? Will they backtrack further on their shunning policies?
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Do you agree with this?
by vienne innew post to the history blog: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/05/typical-nonsense.html.
i agree that in the russell and rutherford eras there was little actual scriptural refutation.
fine!
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slimboyfat
I agree a lot of the attacks on Russell and Rutherford focussed on personality rather than theology. Because Iâve been reading church history, it reminds me of how Athanasius attacked the character of Arius, even implying that his untimely and ignominious death (possibly involving sudden gastrointestinal symptoms) was a divine, or at least just punishment. It has also been suggested Arius might have been poisoned.
I have the impression that Russell was generally a kind person who got on well with others. Hundreds of people turned out for his funeral and were genuinely upset, including apparently his ex-wifeâdespite their acrimonious divorceâwho laid a flower on his coffin. People who knew him well, and those who met him only briefly, alike seem to have been left with favourable impressions.
Rutherford on the other hand seems to have been disliked with good reason. Even his allies tend to talk about him in terms of respect rather than affection. I think itâs possible that his experience of prison, and subsequent ill health in later years, made him a harsher person than he would otherwise have been. But plenty of people suffer adversity and still manage to treat people kindly. If there is any truth to the claims that he all but abandoned his wife and had affairs then thatâs a whole other level of nastiness.
About the footnote, it sounds like it was better to stick to the scholarship, unless the criminal behaviour was directly relevant, but itâs hard to know without the full details of the situation.