Posts by slimboyfat

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

The graph shows he has lost nearly half his patrons already and it’s a steep downward curve.

The patrons are real numbers whereas the total income is an estimate. It’s worth bearing in mind that just a few large donors probably supply as much as most of the rest. One of those donors made a video where he said he formerly sent LE even more than the highest tier on his patron levels.

He gets money from patrons, ad revenue, and book sales - so a significant amount. But in somewhat decline. This doesn’t include money, gifts, travel paid for, books sent to him for free by supporters, which by the sounds of it was substantial.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

The long term graph good too

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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

by Vanderhoven7 in

it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

who is the way, the truth and the life?

(john 14:6).

slimboyfat

The scripture says we need to call on the name of Jehovah to be saved. I don’t know there is any scripture that says we need to call on the name of Jesus to be saved, is there? I can’t think of one.

In the New Testament Jehovah God is the source of salvation and Jesus is the saviour that Jehovah has sent to save humans. The distinct roles are very clear. Jesus ascribes salvation to Jehovah God by his name, his words and his deeds.

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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

by Vanderhoven7 in

it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

who is the way, the truth and the life?

(john 14:6).

slimboyfat

I’m not so sure that knowing and using the divine name isn’t necessary for salvation. Acts 15 suggests Christians would be identified by the divine name. Acts 2 says that those calling on the name will be saves and Acts 4 says Jesus is the name of the saviour given among men for salvation. Revelation 3:12 says Jesus will write the names of God, Jerusalem, and his own new name on the foreheads of believers. Matt 1:21 says that Jesus is called Jesus because it is by means of him that Jehovah provides salvation. In total it seems that it is necessary for believers to know and use the names of both Jehovah and Jesus, one or the other is not sufficient.

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2022-07-29-Announcement!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

2022-07-29-announcements--english.

2022-07-29-announcements-spanishpage 2, par.

3. on the other hand, some brothers and sisters—younger and in good health—have more favorable circumstances that may allow them to attend christian meetings regularly at the kingdom hall.

slimboyfat

I can’t seem to find the letter but I thought that when they announced going back to meetings at memorial time we weren’t supposed to criticize those who decide to stay watching on zoom.

Well that didn’t last long, did it? Judging people is a habit JWs just won’t give up.

It was the same in the UK with the letter writing. At first it was presented as a possible breach of privacy law and each person would have ‘make up their own mind’. People were even told to go read the relevant laws, which caused a bit of confusion because they was no guidance where to find it or how to make sense of it. Within a few weeks everyone was expected to write letters, and there was no such thing as making up your own mind. People who didn’t were certainly judged.

They just can’t help bossing people around it’s deep in the culture. They can’t stand the idea of people arriving at their own conclusions that may differ from their own, so they label any dissenters as disobedient to the Bible. At lot of people are seeing through it however.

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2022-07-29-Announcement!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

2022-07-29-announcements--english.

2022-07-29-announcements-spanishpage 2, par.

3. on the other hand, some brothers and sisters—younger and in good health—have more favorable circumstances that may allow them to attend christian meetings regularly at the kingdom hall.

slimboyfat

I don’t know what the official policy was about meeting parts, but locally the rule was initially that talks and meeting parts needed to be taken by people present in the Kingdom Hall. Then after a few weeks they seemed to change the policy and some parts were being handled by brothers and sisters over Zoom. I guess following the new announcement they will go back to the policy of only allowing people to deliver talks and meeting parts in person in the Kingdom Hall. Utter confusion and mixed messages.

The pattern has generally been that most elders and their wives are present at the KH in person and most other publishers view over Zoom. There are a few exceptions in either direction but as a general rule that seems pretty accurate.

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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

by Vanderhoven7 in

it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

who is the way, the truth and the life?

(john 14:6).

slimboyfat

I don’t think we can determine from history one way or another about the intention of God regarding his name because it’s all open to interpretation. Say we focus on the disuse of God’s name in the Christian Era, we can either conclude that was God’s will that people no longer use the name, or else we can say that was Satan trying to hide the name of God. Point out that Jehovah’s Witnesses revived use of the name in the 20th century and you can say they were 1) going against the will of God 2) other churches use the name as well so JWs are not actually that distinctive, or 3) Jehovah purposely used JWs as the means to revive awareness about his name. You could make coherent arguments for any of those perspectives, it seems to me. The facts of history alone don’t provide one overwhelming interpretation.

What I am pretty convinced about is the fact that Jesus and the early Christians probably did use God’s name regularly and that this has been obscured by later Christian tradition. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, for example, that Jesus’ name includes the divine name, and the meaning of Jesus’ name is highlighted in Matt 1:21. I don’t think it’s a coincidence either that Jesus three times answers Satan using quotations containing the divine name (Matt 4 and Luke 4). All the earliest LXX contain forms of the divine name. Christian names lists contained the divine name in the form Yaho for centuries. Plus Leviticus fragment used Yaho, and Roman authors say that Jews called their God Yaho in the first century. This means the earliest Christians understood and used the divine name in the form Yaho - I don’t see what other reasonable conclusion can be drawn.

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2022-07-29-Announcement!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

2022-07-29-announcements--english.

2022-07-29-announcements-spanishpage 2, par.

3. on the other hand, some brothers and sisters—younger and in good health—have more favorable circumstances that may allow them to attend christian meetings regularly at the kingdom hall.

slimboyfat

Plus they are probably shooting themselves in the foot. There are a number of people who started attending on Zoom who would never have attended meetings at the KH. This means that generally Zoom attendances were higher than typical KH meetings. By forcing people back to the KH they will not succeed in getting these people into the KH, but they will just drift away as it becomes apparent that Zoom participants are viewed as second class, and somewhat unwelcome fellow travellers. Talk about own goal.

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2022-07-29-Announcement!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

2022-07-29-announcements--english.

2022-07-29-announcements-spanishpage 2, par.

3. on the other hand, some brothers and sisters—younger and in good health—have more favorable circumstances that may allow them to attend christian meetings regularly at the kingdom hall.

slimboyfat

What I find annoying is that the GB were obviously very scared personally at the beginning of the pandemic, that’s why they imposed the strictest lockdown possible at Warwick which affected “young, healthy” Bethelites, as well as old, overweight GB members, as well as suspending all congregation gatherings worldwide. Now they’ve had the vaccines, they see the numbers are more in their favour and they are not personally scared of catching the virus. So, once again, a worldwide and heterogenous group of 8 million people plus are being told to copy their example in going back to meetings. There is no account taken of the fact that other people might feel differently about the situation than they do for various reasons and are still scared of catching the virus. Everyone should just copy them because they say so, and if they don’t, it’s because they are not following the Bible, and they should think about it harder. It is so arrogant, self-centred and self righteous because they believe everyone should respect their fear but show non consideration for others who may still feel scared even if they don’t.

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What Name Does the New Testament Emphasize - Jehovah or Jesus?

by Vanderhoven7 in

it seems to me scripturally speaking, that jehovah's witnesses are emphasizing the wrong name.. it should be jesus, not jehovah.

who is the way, the truth and the life?

(john 14:6).

slimboyfat

Well it seems to me that some on this forum think that Jesus name is getting sufficient coverage and consideration at kingdom halls across the globe.
And when I say "name" I mean person, not merely a bunch of syllables.
My take is that Jesus is all but marginalized by so called Jehovah's Witnesses and relationship with Jesus aka Michael the super angel is not only not promoted but also not possible .

That is a totally different question! If you say JWs downplay Jesus then I’d definitely agree with that. It’s pretty unarguably the case. In terms of mentions, Jesus is probably competing with the Governing Body for second place after Jehovah. (I’ve not done any quantitative analysis on that it’s just an impression)

I don’t see how that affects what the New Testament says about Jesus being the firstborn of creation, Son of God, messiah and so on. And I do think there is a good case that Jesus is Michael and/or an angel. Even Ehrman concludes that Paul calls Jesus an angel at Gal 4:14.