Posts by slimboyfat

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Lloyd’s new book

by jwfacts in

i see there has already been discussion over lloyd’s new book how to leave the jehovah's witnesses.

this includes discussion around his personality, motives and financial gains.

i have written a foreword for this book, because it is an important topic that has not been covered in such a complete format before.

It’s disappointing Paul Grundy has not said anything. He helped launch Lloyd’s career and supported it along the way. In those circumstances I don’t think it’s honourable for him just not to say anything in light of what’s happened.

As to why Paul Grundy claimed that Lloyd could have made more in other businesses, I don’t think it requires that he either knew Lloyd well or was making a guess. Another possibility is that Lloyd boasted to him in those exact terms and Paul simply believed what he said.

In a certain way perhaps it is possible that translation business could have made more money than the EJW YouTube channel. But this ignores the fact that it would probably have required far greater skills, commitments, obligations, and deadlines to paying customers, and a heavy schedule of work. Lloyd can’t even make his regular Zoom calls on time to his top tier donors. So in theory a translation business might have worked, but in practice it’s obvious why he preferred the YouTube channel.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

There is a UK Facebook group that has promoted LE for years, including his proposed UK visit in December 2021 which he abandoned in favour of his sex holiday to Asia. Since the scandal broke it has swiftly deleted any threads commenting on the scandal on the grounds that they are a “support group” and not a place for controversy. The trouble is that they promoted LE for years, so no redress of the balance seems biased and unhelpful. In fact there are probably members of the group who have no idea what happened at all because they have been so swift at removing any discussion.

What has happened on Reddit? I tried to follow the threads on there initially, but I find the format not user friendly.

Listener, what terms would you suggest using instead? I don’t want to help LE’s narrative. But I don’t want to be insulting to potentially exploited people either.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

What’s striking to me about this guy, over many years, or right from the start actually, is his extreme sense of entitlement that people should treat him “fairly”, according to his own definition of what constitutes “fairness”, combined with an extreme lack of empathy for others, or any regard that they should be treated fairly.

His self-righteous declaration that any judgement of his private life is “unfair” displays this view. On the one hand he cries “unfair” because people object to his behaviour, and at the same time he has no regard whatever for how his actions affect his family, sex workers, or other exJWs. The huge gulf between his own self-regard and his complete lack of regard for others almost makes you wonder if he is knowingly playing some sort of game where he simply pretends not to understand the implications of his actions. But, in truth, he genuinely does not seem to understand. It does seem to involve pathology, as Dr Sohom Das said: a combination of narcissism and psychopathy. He displays total lack of insight into his own behaviour and inability to learn from mistakes.

The other characteristic that is hard to get to grips with from an outside perspective is the way he clings on to a lie well past the point where most people would give up. It’s similar to Elizabeth Holmes who kept insisting her fake blood tests worked well past the point where her deception had been fully exposed. Most people know when to give up and acknowledge they have been caught out. But psychopathic narcissists, it seems, just don’t have insight on when to give up on a lie. They just keep going and keep going and never stop no matter how tenuous or ridiculous the charade becomes.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

Looks like he has a new business plan to make money from expats in Zagreb. A hopeful sign that he’s giving up on his ExJW business. 👍

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

I read the Facebook post. Wow! He lied to his wife and family for years, by his own admission, and used patron funds for illegal activity - yet he has the gall to call Kim Silvio a liar? The man has no shame.

I notice he didn’t include Andrew Gold or Dr Sohom Das, in the so-called litigation, who described him as psychopathic and resembling a cult leader. Wasn’t that worthy of a letter? Why could that be, I wonder? Afraid, possibly?

Most of his patrons left because of his own livestream, yet he claims they were “tricked”. Is he really so deluded? It’s disturbing to watch someone state such blatant falsehoods with apparent confidence. Some of his patrons have been tricked alright - the ones that have stuck around. They are getting fewer and fewer every month.

He says the litigation is costing a lot of money. Good. I hope he wastes the lot on his fantasy litigation. Good luck to the lawyers who saw this sucker coming. Is “vanity litigation” a term? Might be appropriate.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

The way he said he wanted time in Thailand to ‘work out if he could be without his family’, it’s clear he thinks about nobody else but himself, ever. They will be better off without him. Also the way he said no one should ‘blame’ Dijana for him ‘needing’ to go outside his marriage. As if anyone would blame her for his behaviour. What planet is he living on? An uncomfortable glimpse into a dark psyche.

This song seems apt response to his so called need for space.

https://youtu.be/2lGzJwksSv4

I reckon he’s realised that the YouTube/Patreon venture will not be viable in the longer term. But instead of winding it down he’ll probably string along the remaining patrons for as long as he can get away with, putting less and less effort into ‘churning out the content’ as he describes it, until it just fizzles out. If a small number of people keep sending him money for nothing, is he going to turn it down?

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2022-Secret Watchtower Disfellowshipping Reference Manual.

by Atlantis in

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friends

massive new document written by wt, 837 pages, meant for arguments vs officials and media to defend the disfellowshipping arrangement.

found in the casefile in norway.

meant to be secret.. .

slimboyfat

Thank you, Atlantis!

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

Yes, that’s true. A qualified psychiatrist has actually called him a psychopath with narcissistic personality disorder in a public video. If any statement was legally actionable you’d think that would be top of the list. (Not saying he would be successful, but it’s a more serious judgement of his character than simply starting the facts, as Kim Silvio has done) Yet he doesn’t go after Dr Sohom Das at all. Why is that? Is he afraid? If so then he is being more calculating than his out of control, crazy demeanour would at first indicate.

Plus Andrew Gold, an investigative journalist who has reported on cult leaders compares Lloyd to a cult leader. In his mind it’s easier to take on Kim Silvio than Andrew Gold and Dr Sohom Das.

It’s probably worth repeating the comments of Andrew Gold and Dr Sohom Das for a number read of reasons. Number one, they are serious allegations and characterisations made by qualified and independent commentators. Secondly, Lloyd himself seems to be avoiding them. Thirdly, it could help thwart Lloyd’s attempts to attack the character of Kim Silvio and others.

In an attempt to sound reasonable Lloyd also made the comment in the Andrew Gold video that exploitation in Thailand is “a conversation worth having”, yet he has never actually had that conversation at all. If it’s a conversation worth having, then when does he plan having it? (Is another question it might be worth putting to him, for those who can be bothered engaging him at all any more.)

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

Yes, if you’ve got the stomach for it, go ahead. 👍

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

I’ve not read this thread for a while and I am actually feeling queasy reading these updates. I knew he was not a very pleasant person but it just keeps going from bad to worse.

The way he accuses others of ‘breaking trust’ is just astonishing. I don’t know how else to describe it. This from a man who lied to his wife and family for years and used supporters’ money for illegal and unethical purposes. Yet he thinks that he is the one who has been betrayed? It’s unfathomable.

He thinks he’s in the right to accuse Silvio? Why? Because of what? She told his patrons information they were entitled to know. How on earth does this arrogant idiot think he has a right to demand silence from people he has unburdened himself with his history of lies and deception? At the same time he apparently thinks he is not accountable to anyone who in fact did have reasonable expectations not to be lied to and exploited as he has done. It’s absolutely mind boggling how he can keep these two thoughts in his head at once. Does he really believe what he is saying? Do any of his patrons, if they have been following these statements? Is it entirely cynical and knowing, or is he simply off-the-charts lunatic crazy?

He claims that a small band of supporters met up with him in London. How he managed to screen out sane people from meeting him and telling him what they really think of him I can’t imagine. Plus he apparently used the address of a former supporter as a nominal base for cheating on his wife. Who does that? He claims he was ‘exploring possibilities as a single man’, I think was the obscene euphemism he used. The living hell of his wife and family in all this is awful. The messages are just the tip of the iceberg. Shame on anyone still sending this person money. You are complicit.