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  The recent "Special " talk ,how many times was the name JEHOVAH mentioned VS the name JESUS

  by smiddy3 in

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  the jehovah`s witnesses have long charged christendom`s religions falsely i might add of hiding the name of god jehovah /yahweh from their congregants ,by not using it or putting that name on the back burner so to speak ,and just using it minimally .. i`m just wondering if the jehovah`s witnesses /wtb&ts are actually guilty themselves of doing the very same thing with the name of jesus.. in the nwt of the bible 1984 edition i have in the section bible words indexed they have the name jehovah listed 80+ times ,.

  however the name jesus is listed less than twenty times .. while i concede the bulk of the bible is contained by the o.t./hebrew scriptures and the n.t./christian greek scriptures are a smaller portion of the bible jehovah`s witness theology do place a lot more emphasis on jehovah than they do with jesus.. arent they guilty of trying to downplay the role of jesus christ in christianity ?

  and exulting the name of jehovah which by the way goes against the christian teaching .phillipians 2:9-11.

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  slimboyfat

  Why do you say “resort” to the meaning of Jesus’ name? Jesus’ name was highly significant for the early Christians. (See Matt 1:21)

  Additionally, Jews in the first century used God’s name in the form Yaho. (See The Earliest Non-Mystical Jewish Use of IAW by Frank Shaw) So when the early Christians used the name Yaho-shua, they thought “Yaho Saves”. Jesus’ name did not replace God’s name, it pointed towards it.

  The NT makes much more sense when we realise that the early Christian authors used God’s name and were fully aware of the meaning of Jesus’ name in relation to the divine name.

  Consider how much more sense these verses make when we realise the first Christians used the divine name and appreciated the meaning of Jesus’ theophoric name.

  Acts 3:19 Therefore, repent and turn so that your sins may be wiped away; so that happier times may come from Yaho himself, 20 and so that he may send you, in Yaho-saves, your long-appointed anointed one.

  Acts 2:20 The sun will become darkness,
  And the moon blood-red,
  Before the day of Yaho comes – that great and awful day.
  21 Then will everyone who invokes the name of Yaho be saved.”
  22 People of Israel, listen to what I am saying. Yaho-saves of Nazareth, a man whose mission from God to you was proved by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God showed among you through him, as you know full well

  Verses that make much more sense with the meaning of the divine name and Jesus’ name acknowledged in the text are too numerous to cite. The teaching of the NT is that Jesus bears Jehovah’s name because Jesus is the means by which Jehovah saves. Focus on Jesus’ name, or being witnesses to Jesus is not in competition with being witnesses of Jehovah. For the early Christians, to be a witness of Jesus was to be a witness to the fact that Jehovah saves by means of his anointed servant.
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  Was There An Occasion Where An Entire Congregation Broke Away?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
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  i remember reading somewhere (perhaps on here?

  ) than an entire congregation disassociated and started their own congregation after decided that the gb were apostate.. was this an urban myth or is there any evidence of this?.

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  slimboyfat

  careful, the reference for Taiwan may be the 1972 Yearbook, under the heading Cleansing and Rebuilding

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/301972007
  
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  Was There An Occasion Where An Entire Congregation Broke Away?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember reading somewhere (perhaps on here?

  ) than an entire congregation disassociated and started their own congregation after decided that the gb were apostate.. was this an urban myth or is there any evidence of this?.

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  Yes in fact there is a book about the story of how a hundred or so JWs in Alberta left the organisation along with Penton. I don’t think they manged to take a Kingdom Hall with them.

  https://www.amazon.com/Crisis-Allegiance-James-Beverley/dp/0920413374
  
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  The recent "Special " talk ,how many times was the name JEHOVAH mentioned VS the name JESUS

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jehovah`s witnesses have long charged christendom`s religions falsely i might add of hiding the name of god jehovah /yahweh from their congregants ,by not using it or putting that name on the back burner so to speak ,and just using it minimally .. i`m just wondering if the jehovah`s witnesses /wtb&ts are actually guilty themselves of doing the very same thing with the name of jesus.. in the nwt of the bible 1984 edition i have in the section bible words indexed they have the name jehovah listed 80+ times ,.

  however the name jesus is listed less than twenty times .. while i concede the bulk of the bible is contained by the o.t./hebrew scriptures and the n.t./christian greek scriptures are a smaller portion of the bible jehovah`s witness theology do place a lot more emphasis on jehovah than they do with jesus.. arent they guilty of trying to downplay the role of jesus christ in christianity ?

  and exulting the name of jehovah which by the way goes against the christian teaching .phillipians 2:9-11.

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  The book of Acts presents Jehovah and the Lord Jesus as distinct, and it says that Christians are called out of the nations as a people for his name.

  Acts 2:34 David did not ascend to the heavens, but he himself says, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”’

  Acts 15:15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written: ‘After these things I will return and raise up again the tent of David that is fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, so that the men who remain may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, known from of old.’
  

  Additionally it is worth pointing out that the name Jesus itself points to the name Jehovah because it is a theophoric name meaning “Jehovah is salvation”, and that NT authors were aware of this etymology and its significance. (Matt 1:21)

  So on each occasion where the NT states the significance of Jesus’ name it is not replacing Jehovah’s name but rather confirming its significance.

  Acts 4:10 Let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that in the name of Jesus [Jehovah saves] Christ the Naz·a·reneʹ, whom you executed on a stake but whom God raised up from the dead, by means of him this man stands here healthy in front of you. This is ‘the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the chief cornerstone.’ Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”
  
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  Was There An Occasion Where An Entire Congregation Broke Away?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i remember reading somewhere (perhaps on here?

  ) than an entire congregation disassociated and started their own congregation after decided that the gb were apostate.. was this an urban myth or is there any evidence of this?.

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  slimboyfat

  I guess this has happened lots of times, in Eastern Europe and Southern Africa in particular, but by no means confined to those areas. Gathering information on the specifics is more challenging however.

  One example in the US which has been discussed on this forum:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/197640/real-story-on-why-watchtower-society-lost-kingdom-hall-bonham-texas
  
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  The recent "Special " talk ,how many times was the name JEHOVAH mentioned VS the name JESUS

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the jehovah`s witnesses have long charged christendom`s religions falsely i might add of hiding the name of god jehovah /yahweh from their congregants ,by not using it or putting that name on the back burner so to speak ,and just using it minimally .. i`m just wondering if the jehovah`s witnesses /wtb&ts are actually guilty themselves of doing the very same thing with the name of jesus.. in the nwt of the bible 1984 edition i have in the section bible words indexed they have the name jehovah listed 80+ times ,.

  however the name jesus is listed less than twenty times .. while i concede the bulk of the bible is contained by the o.t./hebrew scriptures and the n.t./christian greek scriptures are a smaller portion of the bible jehovah`s witness theology do place a lot more emphasis on jehovah than they do with jesus.. arent they guilty of trying to downplay the role of jesus christ in christianity ?

  and exulting the name of jehovah which by the way goes against the christian teaching .phillipians 2:9-11.

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  Arent they guilty of trying to downplay the role of Jesus Christ in Christianity ? and exulting the name of Jehovah which by the way goes against the christian teaching .Phillipians 2:9-11

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  11 Phil 2:11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
  to the glory of God the Father.

  
  
  
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  A Must Read Update on WBTS and Darkspilver from reddit

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  many of us know that watch tower (yes, two words in this case) has issued a subpoena to reddit to try to gain darkspilver's identity due to accusations of copyright infringement:.

  tl;dr: on april 9, watch tower filed a response to the eff's motion to quash (filed march 26) regarding the subpoena submitted to reddit in an attempt to find /u/darkspilver's identity.. the wt response is publicly available here as a pdf, from the site court listener.. a number of other documents relating to the case are available on the same site, here.. and the eff's motion to quash is available on the eff's website here.. details: as i'm sure many of us know, watch tower (yes, two words in this case) has issued a subpoena to reddit to try to gain /u/darkspilver's identity due to accusations of copyright infringement.

  specifically, watch tower is claiming copyright infringement for two things: first, darkspilver posted the back page of the november 2018 watchtower which was an article entitled "what gift can we give to jehovah?” which explained how to donate.

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  Darkspilver was a very informative poster and an asset to the forum.
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  How many would leave the organization right now if the shunning rule was removed?

  by HiddenPimo in

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  dream scenario: everyone is made aware of all the wrongs, the false prophecies / csa problem / double standards - .

  and they would not shun, how many would jump ship?.

  my parents are fully aware of the sins of the org.

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  Have we considered, there may be some who would return to the organisation if they ended the policy of shunning?
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  Anthony Morris- Military records are now available under FOIA

  by Bleep Bloop in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  if you've wondered what tony morris' original last name was, or if he really served in the military, i put up a youtube video today summarizing many of these details.

  my goal is not to doxx him or his family, but to put some meat on the bones of his life story article, using available public records.. thanks to the community here that gave me the impetus to dig into this.

  and i can definitively say that, contrary to popular opinion, his last name was not esposito haha.

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  This is such excellent research, thank you very much. But I fell asleep listening to it last night. I will need to try again.

  I was a little surprised you said AM3’s real father was not of interest because he was not around. But isn’t that why he would be of interest? He calls himself Anthony Morris III, after all.

  I already suspected AM3’s war experiences may have caused long term psychological trauma. It may also explain any dependency on alcohol, if there is such.

  I think I may have fallen asleep before you spelled out if and how Morris inherited money. From his mother and step father who had a successful business? I need to listen again.

  By the way, Gerrit Loesch wasn’t brought up JW either. If the same is true of Herd that makes at least 3 not brought up JW, which is more than I would have suspected. I wonder if there are any Mormon apostles not brought up in that church? I somehow suspect Mormon leadership is overwhelmingly cradle Mormons.

  Very good effort, thank you for the information.
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  Can This be Verified?

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can this be verified?

  just speculation so far, so i was just wondering.. .

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/bawoeu/getting_rid_of_the_literature_counter_all_together/ .

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  slimboyfat

  Yes, I’ve seen a new KH with no literature counter, just a self-service wall unit.