Jesus thought he was God?
I think it is relevant to point out that Jesus was aware of natural disasters and that it didn't dent his belief in God in the context of a claim that natural disasters are incompatible with Jesus' God.
slimboyfat
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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slimboyfat
The point I was making is that Jesus was well aware of natural disasters and it apparently didn't stop his faith in God. Therefore your claim that natural disasters are incompatible with Jesus' God is at the very least problematic.
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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slimboyfat
I think Jesus was promising salvation if they repent, not simply avoiding death in this or that disaster. He was using the two disasters to make the point that disasters can befall anyone but that the only way to be saved in the end is to repent.
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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slimboyfat
He mentioned Gallilee and Jerusalem. You think he was isolating a particular group rather than "sinful" humans in general?
It reads to me like Jesus was saying: you think those people must have been especially bad because they died? They were not especially bad it could happen to anyone. Everyone needs to repent if they want to live. Matthew Henry seems to agree.
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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slimboyfat
I posted the last message ages ago. Not sure why it is showing up now.
Coded, Cofty often invokes a flat earth theory as a sort of trump card. I guess you are being serious about it being compelling, despite my initial reaction you must be joking.
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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slimboyfat
My point was that Jesus was not unaware of disasters. He didn't offer the excuse that people die for a reason or they must have done something to deserve it. Neither does he say "if you repent then nothing bad can ever happen to you". He seems to accept that bad things can happen and does not find this incompatible with his view of God.
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Hit by a car evacuating due to oroville dam. Ever been hit?
by Wasanelder Once inwent back to get info from driver who tapped our car in line of cars exiting the area.
after getting her info, she waited till i walked back to our car and punched the gas, hitting me.
then drove off.
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slimboyfat
I very slightly bumped a car today while parking and set off its alarm. I don't think I caused any damage. It was in the mosque car park. Consider this confession. Am I absolved?
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What not to say...
by joey jojo inhey guys.
i was recently talking to a old friend who is a very active elder.
i was talking about ' the truth' and he suggested i sounded like an apostate because i used terms like ' the society' and ' watchtower '.. i am aware that ' dubspeak ' has changed over the years and i am pretty sure that someone posted about it here but i can't find the thread.
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slimboyfat
In the mid 1990s when I was most active we used to talk about "the Society" all the time. Then there was an article telling us to stop using the term (around 1999?) so we did.
Phrases like "the Watchtower organisation" have always been borderline opposer/apostate as far as I know.
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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slimboyfat
And like the rest of the Gallileans and the rest of sinful humans for that matter. All need to repent. The point is Jesus was contradicting the idea that disasters befall people because they are especially sinful. Of course Jesus also taught that all humans are sinful, but his point here is that people who suffer calamity are not especially sinful.
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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slimboyfat
Well I'd be interested if any commentary reads it that way. I find the straightforward interpretation easiest, for example Matthew Henry:
Mention was made to Christ of the death of some Galileans. This tragical story is briefly related here, and is not met with in any historians. In Christ's reply he spoke of another event, which, like it, gave an instance of people taken away by sudden death. Towers, that are built for safety, often prove to be men's destruction. He cautioned his hearers not to blame great sufferers, as if they were therefore to be accounted great sinners. As no place or employment can secure from the stroke of death, we should consider the sudden removals of others as warnings to ourselves. On these accounts Christ founded a call to repentance. The same Jesus that bids us repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand, bids us repent, for otherwise we shall perish.