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  Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps

  by slimboyfat in

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  i am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!

  magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.

  i quote both passages without comment.

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  slimboyfat

  BUT I believe the Guardian was notable for being one of the VERY few newspapers to consistantly expose, and in some depth, what was happening in Germany at that time.

  I've found that there were hundreds of articles in dozens of British newspapers that give details about the concentration camps in the 1930s. The camps that the Awake! claimed were "unknown" before 1945.

  A few examples from a very, very, long list:

  "Prisoners in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp", Liverpool Daily Post, 7th January 1939.

  "Jews Beaten to Death" (at Sachsenhausen), Cornishman, 15th December 1938.

  "Germany's Political Prisoners" (at Sachsenhasuen), Daily Record, 7th January 1939.

  "Pastor Dies at Nazi Camp" (Niemoeller at Sachsenhasuen), Scotsman, 24th July 1939.

  "Inside a German Prison Camp" (Sachsenhausen), Nottingham Evening Post, 22nd of July 1937.

  "The Toll of Dachau", Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer, 23rd June 1938.

  "The Twelve Months of Dachau Horror", Birmingham Daily Gazzette, 28th November 1938.

  "Brutality at Dachau", Yorkshire Evening Post, 31st October 1939.

  "Camps for political prisoners under the Nazi regime" (Dachau), Illustrated London News, 10th February 1934.

  "2000 Massacred in Reich Camps" (Dachau), Aberdeen Press and Journal, 20th July 1934.

  "The Situation in Germany" (Dachau), Belfast Newsletter, 20th July 1934.

  "Story of Massacre" (at Dachau), Western Morning News, 29th July 1934.

  "The German Upheaval" (at Dachau), Taunton Courier, 25th July 1934.

  "German Concentration Camps" (Dachau), The Scotsman, 24th October 1934.

  "Nazi Concentration Camps not Improved" (Dachau), Derry Journal, 27th September 1935.

  "Misled Germans - Life in the Concentration Camps - Electrified Wire", The Scotsman, 7th December 1936.

  "The Toll of Dachau", Yorkshire Post, 23rd June 1938.

  As I say, this is a very tiny sample from hundreds of articles published in dozens of newspapers exposing Nazi concentration camps by name in the British press in the 1930s. Examples from the Manchester Guardian not even included. And let alone newspapers in other countries.

  And what is striking about the way these stories refer to Dachau is that knowledge of the camp was simply taken for granted. It was common knowledge. When it is characterised in the text, it is described in terms such as "infamous", "most famous" and "the notorious" concentration camp.

  Yet the Awake! in 1995 claimed Dachau, Sachsenhasuen and other concentration camps were "unknown" to most, except readers of The Golden Age and Consolation magazines, before 1945.
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  Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!

  magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.

  i quote both passages without comment.

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  slimboyfat

  The Awake! magazine said that the names of concentration camps such as Dachau were unknown before the end of World War 2. This is false.

  Historian Laurence Rees states that they were very well known worldwide and quotes a number of sources to make the point. But he is not even trying to prove the point, he is merely stating the fact. Because outside of the 1995 Awake! the idea that names such as Dachau were "unknown" is itself pretty "unknown".

  The extent to which the outside world knew about the Holocaust from 1942 onwards is a separate issue which does not relate to widespread knowledge about concentration camps. JWs were inmates of concentration camps from 1933 onwards and spoke about their experiences there, as did many others, as worldwide media reported.

  JWs were not sent to extermination camps (unless they were also Jews) when the Holocaust began, so they could hardly report about it.

  I suggest you read more about the subject to appreciate the distinction between concentration camps and extermination camps, and between JW experience in concentration camps and Jews during the Holocaust.
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  Always ask an Elder before sharing posts!

  by Tahoe in

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  slimboyfat

  In the about section:

  
  

  About
  Watchtower Governing Body Member since 1999
  One of seven members that run the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania in Brooklyn, New York.

  
  

  This is incorrect the GB no longer hold positions in the Watchtower Society, nor is "Watchtower Governing Body Member" terminology they use.
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  Always ask an Elder before sharing posts!

  by Tahoe in

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  lol.

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  The fb page claims he along with the rest of the GB "run the Watchtower Society". No GB member would ever claim that, they've been denying liability for the Watchtower for close to two decades now.
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  Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
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  i am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!

  magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.

  i quote both passages without comment.

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  slimboyfat

  Rees said newspapers "around the world" carried stories about the camps, not just one. He also cites books that published details of the camps to the outside world.
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  Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!

  magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.

  i quote both passages without comment.

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  slimboyfat

  Claiming that Dachau and the other concentration camps were "unknown" to most people before 1945 is pretty unambiguous. And false.
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  I am giving everyone on the board...

  by The Rebel in

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  a new commadment to the posting guidelines.

  we must love one another.. if i read the posting guidelines and saw the lurking presence of that new commadment " we must love one another" i would feel very uneasy about registering.

  it sounds more like a threat than an expression of love.

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  slimboyfat

  Matt 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

  Love is evil.

  https://youtu.be/hg7qdowoemo
  
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  Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!

  magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.

  i quote both passages without comment.

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  slimboyfat

  I would like to go. I have never been.

  Yes it's odd that the Awake! would say Dachau and Auschwitz were "unknown" to the world. They were very well know. Rees's comment here was particularly clear concerning Dachau in particular.

  And there was an international campaign to get the Allies to bomb Auschwitz for example. Odd behaviour if no one even knew the name.

  https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10008041
  
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  Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!

  magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.

  i quote both passages without comment.

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  slimboyfat

  Laurence Rees makes the point that early concentration camps like Dachau (built in 1933) and Sachsenhausen (1936) should not be confused with the later extermination camps such as Treblinka, whose sole function was murder. JWs had little experience of the later death camps, the experiences they related were in relation to the concentration camps. Rees states that Dachau and other concentration camps were well known worldwide and the atrocities were publicised from the start.

  The Holocaust: A New History (2017), Laurence Rees p.74.

  But while Beimler was justified in calling Dachau a 'murder' camp, given that a small number of prisoners were killed there during this period, these concentration camps should not be confused with later extermination camps - like Treblinka - whose only function was to kill. Appalling as the regime was at Dachau before the war, the majority of those who were sent to the camp at this time survived the experience.
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  Which Religions Forbid Outside Research?

  by AnonVet in

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  my definition of a cult is just this:if you are not allowed to research outside of your religion's published sources, you are in a cult.what other religions (cults) are there that absolutely forbid outside research on threat of punishment / shunning?

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  slimboyfat

  It's not quite true of Mormons. It may be that ordinary Mormons are told to avoid critical literature. At the same time they have a small army of academic Mormons who do little else but read and refute literature critical of the church; activity sanctioned by the church, and much of it in collaboration with Brigham Young University. JWs have nothing comparable to this.