I love the way he treats himself as a Watchtower expert, rather than just another ringside commentator with a lousy opinion. Surrounded by his weird band of sycophants, he’s a legend in his own lunch break.
slimboyfat
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.
by LostintheFog1999 ini see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
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slimboyfat
God was already called father in the OT.
Mal 2.10 Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenantof our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?
Prov 30.4
Who has gone up to heaven and come down?
Whose hands have gathered up the wind?
Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is the name of his son?
Surely you know!I don’t think Jesus was telling people not to keep using God’s name. Even the name “Jesus” itself points to the continued importance of God’s name.
John 17.25 “Righteous Father, the world does not know you, but I know you, and these know that you have sent me. 26 I made your name known to them, and I will make it known, so that the love with which you have loved me may be in them and I in them.”
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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.
by LostintheFog1999 ini see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
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slimboyfat
He said: 'you must pray, then, this way - Our Father who art in heaven, etc'
Etc? I think the words you’re looking for are ‘hallowed be thy name’, but that doesn’t exactly fit your argument!
If you agree Jesus wouldn’t have followed a superstition to avoid the divine name then I don’t know what exactly we disagree about.
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S Club 7 star died of NATURAL causes.....
by BoogerMan in“a spokesperson from dorset coroner's office told the bbc that due to the nature of his death there would be no inquest.
no further details were given on cause of death by the coroner.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65633872.
no "further" details were given?
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slimboyfat
If it was some kind of “misadventure” they perhaps don’t label it such anymore, after the whole Kristian Digby thing the media went to town. 😳
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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slimboyfat
It seems that LE purposely uses his wife to make appointments with people for LE to interview because he realises they are more likely to respond favourably to her, and that she is willing to play this sanitising role, unfortunately. I think he mentioned that this is currently her major role in in the business in his begging video. Clearly, for anyone getting a call or an email from his wife, the implied subtext is ‘everything’s fine here - I’ve forgiven him and so should you’. If they’ve heard about his livestream, that is. It’s good cover, and suits them both if it keeps the channel going and keeps the money coming in. Apart from the business advantage, LE probably gets a kick out of having his wife do this too.
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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.
by LostintheFog1999 ini see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
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slimboyfat
You really are indeed a funny guy with a real WTS ant colony mentality ΙΑΩ was not his original reading of the Septuagint, but in all probability that of a marginal heterodox Jewish sect. For mainstream Judaism associated with the Jerusalem temple cult and the Sanhedrin, the everyday "use" of YHWH was completely forbidden.
Is sarcasm part of your religious faith, or just an added benefit? 😜
Where did you get this information about Yaho not being widespread or the original rendering of the divine name in the LXX/OG? The pronunciation was widespread over a long period of time because it is attested in a variety of sources from different places over a period of centuries, from Roman historians to inscriptions, from Bible manuscripts to church fathers and onomastica.
Emanuel Tov is a senior scholar of the Hebrew Bible and the Septuagint.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Tov
He argues in favour of Yaho being the original rendering of the divine name in the LXX/OG, following the work of Skehan and Stegemann, as follows:
Therefore, according to Stegemann and Skehan, ΙΑΩ reflects the earliest attested stage in the history of the LXX translation, when the name of God was represented by its transliteration, just like any other personal name in the LXX.36 Skehan37 provided important early parallels for the use of ΙΑΩ and similar forms representing the Tetragrammaton: Diodorus of Sicily, Bibliotheca historica I,29,2 (1 BCE) records that Moses referred his laws to τὸν Ιαω ἐπικαλούμενον θεόν; likewise, in his commentary on Ps 2:2, Origen speaks about Ιαη (PG 12:1104) and Ιαω (GCS, Origenes 4:53); and two onomastica used ΙΑΩ as an explanation of Hebrew theophoric names.38 The later magical papyri likewise invoke ΙΑΩ. In a similar vein, Stegemann gives a long list of arguments in favor of the assumption of the priority of the transliteration.39 This transliteration reflects an unusual pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton such as known from the Elephantine papyri 40 יהו
However, there is no convincing evidence in favor of any one explanation, but it seems to me that the view of Skehan and Stegemann seems more plausible in light of the parallels provided. This argument serves as support for the view that ΙΑΩ in 4QpapLXXLevb reflects the OG form for יהוה This view is also maintained, in great detail, in recent studies by Shaw, who also mentions other scholars preferring ΙΑΩ, and by Vasileiadis.41
Tov, E. (2023). P. Vindob. G 39777 (Symmachus) and the Use of Divine Names in Greek Scripture Texts. In The Textual History of the Bible from the Dead Sea Scrolls to the Biblical Manuscripts of the Vienna Papyrus Collection (pp. 302-315). Brill.
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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.
by LostintheFog1999 ini see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
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slimboyfat
The evidence is that ordinary Jews in the first century used the divine name in the form Yaho. It is natural to assume that Jesus used the divine name whenever the occasion arose, unless there is evidence to the contrary. There is no record in the NT that Jesus subscribed to any superstition that the divine name was to be avoided.
And I think there is specific evidence in the gospels that Jesus used the divine name. When Jesus was tempted by Satan in the wilderness he cited three Bible texts that included the divine name. It’s difficult to think this wasn’t deliberate (“the name of Jehovah is a strong tower” Prov 18.10) and equally difficult to believe that having selected texts with the divine name that he then avoided using it.
Matt 4
4 But he answered: “It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’”
7 Jesus said to him: “Again it is written: ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”
10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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slimboyfat
Since he was concerned about how much he would get for it, perhaps he really is cutting back financially now?
I think it’s just in his nature to make sure he gets the advantage in every situation. Even a fair deal for the other person leaves him feeling short changed. It’s how he treated people on here, his wife, his in-laws, his landlord, getting others to pay in advance for his book, and on and on … The idea of someone getting his car for a penny less than he perceives its worth would just annoy him too much. I really wonder what he pays Tibor. It can’t be much, and he probably resents the little he does pay.
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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.
by LostintheFog1999 ini see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
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slimboyfat
The NT is all about Jesus so it makes sense that the name Jesus appears so frequently. To some this might be evidence that Jesus in some way replaces Jehovah of the OT, but this is not a very careful reading of the NT text. All the writings of the NT make it abundantly clear that the whole purpose of Jesus’ mission was to glorify God and his name (John 17.26) and that the exaltation of Jesus is ‘to the glory of God the Father’ (Phil 2.11).
When you realise that the name Jesus (then pronounced Yahoshua) means “Yaho saves”, and that the first Christians were very aware of this fact (Matt 1.21, Acts 4.12), then you don’t count the instances of the name Jesus and his God Jehovah in separate tallies. Because every instance of the name Jesus (Yahoshua) is in fact a reminder, to the first Christians, and to us if we read the NT carefully, that Jesus is the saviour that Jehovah sent into he world to save mankind.
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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.
by LostintheFog1999 ini see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
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slimboyfat
We only have one tiny manuscript of the LXX that contains the divine name in the Greek form Yaho (photo above) yet Emanuel Tov, a leading textual critic of the Hebrew Bible/LXX, argues that Yaho was probably the original form of the divine name in the LXX. This is because there is good circumstantial evidence to support the idea. Even if we didn’t have the fragment with Yaho in it, the circumstantial evidence would be strong that the early LXX used the divine name Yaho. Of the earliest NT manuscripts we have, none of them can confidently be dated earlier than the year 200 CE. (See God’s Library: The Archaeology of the Earliest Christian Manuscripts (2018) by Brent Nongbri) By 200 CE the divine name was no longer in use in the LXX, so if it was used in the early NT, then we have no manuscripts from the era before 200 CE which would correspond to the period when the divine name was used. So we don’t have any direct manuscript evidence either way for how the NT handled the divine name prior to 200 CE. We do have manuscript evidence for the LXX in this earlier period and it did use the divine name.
A copy of the NT with the divine name Yaho might turn up one day, but even if it doesn’t there are good reasons to believe the name did occur in the early NT text. Because, if we are being reasonable about it, if Jews used the divine name Yaho in the first century, in their texts and also verbally, as the evidence suggests, then the early Christians must have done so as well because they emerged from the Jewish community. Plus it makes sense of so much of the biblical data that original use of the divine name is key to understanding much about the NT. A striking example is the often quoted Psalm 110 which in the extant manuscripts confusingly reads, “the Lord said to my Lord”, whereas the early LXX, and presumably the NT as well, would have read, “Yaho said to my Lord”. Another is the fact that the meaning of the name Jesus would have been much more intelligible to people who pronounced it as Yahoshua, and who also used the divine name Yaho. The connection between God Yaho, and his sent forth saviour Yahoshua would have been obvious, as apparently it was. (See Matt 1.21 and Acts 4.12)