Posts by slimboyfat

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Did it ever become unbearable to attend another Kingdom Hall meeting?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

it's becoming unbearable for me to attend another meeting.

i dread coming to the weekly sunday public talk and watchtower study.

the talks are ''repeats'' of a ''repeat.

slimboyfat

Did anyone ever find the meetings bearable even when they did believe in it? Going for a toilet break, watching people, counting roof tiles, even answering up and giving talks were all coping strategies for getting through the time. If you liked the people, and were sociable, then conversations before and after meetings saved it from being a complete waste of time. But you hardly ever learned anything new or got any kind of practical information for your life, let alone, heaven forbid, have an inspirational or ‘spiritual’ experience of any sort.

I think that people who have always been JWs just think meetings are inevitably boring, and this is the way it’s meant to be. Many of them do genuinely seem to mean it when they praise the quality of ‘instruction’ and ‘spiritual food’ at the meetings. Most of them simply have no idea how varied, informative, challenging, practical, meaningful, and even ‘spiritual’ a religious service can be.

I imagine it was better in Russell’s day. There was probably more open discussion and more place for a spiritual and devotional dimension to practice (genuine group prayers, for example). Jehovah’s Witnesses have really got themselves into a rut and it’s hard to see how they get themselves out of it.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

🎉 399 🎉

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Scottish National Party + Nazis

by BoogerMan in

jw
friends

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.

hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".

arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.

slimboyfat

Support for Independence is split 50-50 and nothing has changed since 2014...if we voted again the same result would occur.

The data show otherwise:

https://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-should-scotland-be-governed-five-response-categories-collapsed-to-three/

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Scottish National Party + Nazis

by BoogerMan in

jw
friends

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.

hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".

arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.

slimboyfat

notsure, if you have a look at the “what Scotland thinks” survey, linked above, you’ll see that support for independence has been steadily increasing over the past decade. It has increased from 23% in 2012 to 52% in 2021.

The UK economic model is broken and Scotland cannot afford to be part of it any longer. Brexit is a disaster, austerity has ruined our public services, neoliberalism has hollowed out industry in favour of finance, and now even the city of London is not the cash cow it was because Paris has superseded it. Westminster has resorted once again to raiding North Sea profits to keep itself afloat for a little while longer. Independence for Scotland is an economic necessity. The longer we leave it the more damage we will incur as part of this failing so-called “voluntary” union.

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Scottish National Party + Nazis

by BoogerMan in

jw
friends

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.

hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".

arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.

slimboyfat

And 17,410,742 voted to leave the EU out of an electorate of 46,500,001. That means 62.6% in the UK didn’t vote to leave the EU. So what’s your point?

The only ones crying are unionists when they look at this graph. They are desperately using various tricks to try and prevent inevitable independence like a modern day King Canute.

https://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-should-scotland-be-governed-five-response-categories-collapsed-to-three/

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

Las Malv I’m not sure he will attempt to defend the Thailand trip, because he hasn’t really attempted to defend it so far. Despite saying in his livestream that trafficking and ethics is “a conversation worth having”, he has never engaged in that conversation since. (The bizarre assertion of ‘racism’ on Andrew Gold’s show notwithstanding - which went down like a lead balloon) Instead he has relied on vague assertions that people have “lied about him”, and I suppose he just hopes that his patrons won’t look into the details. It seems he has come to realise that there is no way of presenting his actions that will be acceptable to most people, so he has decided to avoid specifics. But I hope you are correct and he does attempt to justify his Thailand trip, because as long as the core facts are stated, then I don’t think there is any way of him presenting them that won’t alienate most of his audience.

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Scottish National Party + Nazis

by BoogerMan in

jw
friends

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.

hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".

arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.

slimboyfat

peacefulpete I left the SNP because it has gone soft on independence, the leader is a liar who should have been removed from office, and they are increasingly incompetent. I don’t agree with their self-certification policy for trans people either, but for me that is a minor issue. Scottish independence is much bigger than one party. As I said, there are many Labour voters who support independence too.

Of course you are correct that the SNP has evolved over the decades. Nowadays it is left-centre party, to the left of other mainstream parties in the UK. Anti-SNP partisans try to imply that SNP don’t have a left-centre past, and that they are not entirely peaceful by distorting the actions of some in the SNP nearly a century ago. The only people that find these sorts of slurs relevant are extreme unionists largely talking to themselves. It has no legitimate place in the conversation about the majority of Scots who now want the country to be independent. It’s a desperate attempt to deflect from the basic issue of democracy - that a majority vote for independence should be respected.

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Scottish National Party + Nazis

by BoogerMan in

jw
friends

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.

hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".

arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.

slimboyfat

You can play games with any election result by excluding non voters if you like. By your own criteria did England vote to leave the EU? Or how many voted for the government in 2019? Or do you only apply these special criteria to election results you don’t agree with?

I’d just point out that rigging the system against Scotland is a failed strategy because in 1979 Scotland was denied devolution on the basis of a dodgy, last-minute adjustment to the voting criteria which demanded more than a majority. All it achieved was to foster resentment and resulted in a huge majority for devolution 18 years later. Will unionists ever learn that attempting to deny democracy doesn’t work?

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Scottish National Party + Nazis

by BoogerMan in

jw
friends

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scottish_national_party - "however, others in the party were explicitly pro-nazi.

hugh macdiarmid, who stood as an snp candidate in 1945, believed that the nazis were "less dangerous than our own government" and wrote a poem about the london blitz that included the line "i hardly care".

arthur donaldson, who went on to lead the party between 1961 and 1969, believed a nazi invasion would benefit scotland: "the government would leave the country and england's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on germany.

slimboyfat

If this is a dig at me I’ll just mention that I have torn up my SNP card, and I am no longer a member of the party. There are plenty of other parties that support independence: Greens, Scottish Socialists, Solidarity, Alba, RISE, and others. (As far as I know, I haven’t actually checked up on the current status of the smaller parties, and they may have split/joined/changed names) Plus there are plenty of supporters of other parties who also support independence. In particular something approaching a half of Labour voters support independence in the latest poll. (I’ll go and check that out and add it to this post, if I can’t find it.)

If you want to talk about authoritarian or fascist tendencies, then what do you call it when the Supreme Court in another country declares that Scotland has no democratic mechanism for leaving its supposed “voluntary union” with England?

Can’t find the party data, but this is the long term attitudes survey that shows support for independence rising over the past few decades to over 50%.

https://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-should-scotland-be-governed-five-response-categories-collapsed-to-three/

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

“Churn” is backstage YouTuber vocabulary, to borrow from Erving Goffman’s terminology. LE isn’t bright enough realise you’re not meant to use the word in “front-stage”, as it were.

https://www.thoughtco.com/goffmans-front-stage-and-back-stage-behavior-4087971