It looks like he has decided to quietly drop it. If so, it would be a rare flash of insight on his part to stop digging the hole deeper.
slimboyfat
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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Is this life all there is?
by Fisherman inwhat do you sincerely think?
do you nurture any hope?.
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I think it is likely that there is more than this life, but, of course, I’m not sure, and what more there may be, may be something we have no conception or ability to anticipate. I find the idealism of Bernardo Kastrup persuasive at the moment. I find it makes more sense than a materialistic conception of reality which has no explanation for how consciousness could arise from matter. Ultimately we are all in the hands of God as regards whatever future we may have or not have.
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What's this fixation with Lloyd Evans? 4887 pages?
by smiddy3 inwhat`s wrong with you people lol isn`t it time to button up ?
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If it saves people some money they would otherwise have sent to a psychopathic criminal (psychopath according to a qualified psychiatrist and criminal according to his own description of the countries he has paid vulnerable people for sex) then it’s a good thing that the thread continues to let people know what they are getting into. I am surprised there are still some people who support his behaviour but that’s their choice. At least they can make an informed choice, just as a majority of his patrons have chosen to withdraw their support.
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Apostates apparently have their own terminology
by Vanderhoven7 ina dyed in the wool witness actually posted this as if non-witnesses invented unheard of terminology,.
"those who devote their life to criticize jehovah’s witnesses use a lot of very specific expressions and ideas common only to them:.
“8 old men in new york”,.
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slimboyfat
Every in group has their own vocabulary. It changes over time too.
When I first arrived on this board a common term among xjws was “Borganization” or just “The Borg”. Back then Star Trek: Voyager was current and “Borg” was a shorthand way of saying that Watchtower was a frightful organisation that “assimilated” members who lost autonomy and individuality within the “collective”. It was quite a striking metaphor. Looking back, however, it’s not just that Star Trek’s fearsome technology based villain “The Borg” has receded in popular imagination. I think the inexorable march of a superlative enemy, crushing all in its path, no longer seems to fit Watchtower that appears increasingly malleable, subject to the capricious nature of events beyond its control, and somewhat vulnerable, in a way that it was not around the turn of the millennium.
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Local congregation donation and expense report. Very telling
by nowwhat? inin july the congregation received $2300.00.
only 40.00 for the worldwide work and zero for ramapo project!!!.
if this is typical no wonder the org.
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slimboyfat
Yes that’s right. When the accounts are read out they have money coming in to the congregation and then money coming in for the Watchtower society. Then in terms of expenses they have local expenses that are deducted from the donations to the congregation, plus the money sent from the congregation to the Watchtower society that is also deducted from the donations to the congregation. In my congregation I think the congregation donation to Watchtower was reduced from £600 to £300 over the past couple of years, and direct donations from local publishers to Watchtower are often low, and sometimes even zero.
I think insiders have recently indicated that money bequeathed in wills is a major source of revenue for Watchtower, perhaps more significant than the regular donations, and enough to keep them afloat and comfortable for the foreseeable future.
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Watchtower vs Islam: Why the deafening silence?
by raymond frantz inwhy has the watchtower failed spectacularly to evangelize to the muslims?
considering the recent influx of muslim people in european countries you would think that some attempt from the religion that touts the are preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth would have been made.instead the only meaningful attempt dates back to 1953 ,almost 70 years ago!!!!
book " man's search for god.what do you think?
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I forgot, I do know a brother and his wife who were sent to The Gambia and Senegal, which we were surprised to find out (as I think he was) are Muslim countries, and they have little success in terms of JW converts. At first everyone thought that any African country they were sent to would have tons of Bible Studies and baptisms. They didn’t enjoy it much in Senegal and the last I heard they moved back to the UK. So missionaries and pioneers are sent to Muslim countries.
Without stating the names of the countries, the Britain branch used to oversee some Muslim countries in the Middle East where JWs are banned. So even where JWs are banned there is still some coordination to do some preaching in those countries, or at least to provide guidance for the JWs already in those countries. -
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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slimboyfat
I can certainly sympathise with Nic not wanting to waste any more time on this guy. It’s depressing, but probably the reality is that LE will carry on no matter what. As long as people are sending him free money he will string it out indefinitely. He’s lost half of his patrons but that’s probably not enough for him to call it a day. I wonder what proportion of his patrons don’t know about his behaviour, and the extent of it, and what proportion know full well, but just don’t care. If they don’t care, and he doesn’t care, just walk away and let them get on with it.
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Local congregation donation and expense report. Very telling
by nowwhat? inin july the congregation received $2300.00.
only 40.00 for the worldwide work and zero for ramapo project!!!.
if this is typical no wonder the org.
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I’ve heard congregation account reports where 0 (that’s zero!) pounds have been donated to the worldwide work. Once upon a time, donations to the worldwide work used to exceed congregation donations, but with each congregation now being required to send substantial donations, and with literature close to non existent, I think many JWs figure that the congregation donation is enough.
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Watchtower vs Islam: Why the deafening silence?
by raymond frantz inwhy has the watchtower failed spectacularly to evangelize to the muslims?
considering the recent influx of muslim people in european countries you would think that some attempt from the religion that touts the are preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth would have been made.instead the only meaningful attempt dates back to 1953 ,almost 70 years ago!!!!
book " man's search for god.what do you think?
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I just heard on Radio 4 that a translation of the Bible has finally been made into Cornish. The lack of a Cornish Bible in the early modern period (there nearly was a translation but it never happened) is argued to be one cause of the demise of the Cornish language. There are estimated to be around 300 proficient speakers, all of whom acquired the language as a second language.
It’s amazing the number of languages the NWT is now translated into. There’s a translation in Welsh now, and who knows perhaps Gaelic might be next. But if Watchtower ever produces a version of the NWT in Cornish then I think we can say they’ve ‘jumped the shark’ on Bible translation. 🦈
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Watchtower vs Islam: Why the deafening silence?
by raymond frantz inwhy has the watchtower failed spectacularly to evangelize to the muslims?
considering the recent influx of muslim people in european countries you would think that some attempt from the religion that touts the are preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth would have been made.instead the only meaningful attempt dates back to 1953 ,almost 70 years ago!!!!
book " man's search for god.what do you think?
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I don’t know if there is a scan of the 1998 brochure anywhere. I think I remember there was an instruction (in a letter Atlantis posted on the forum) for local congregation to destroy any remaining copies of this brochure they had in stock a few years ago, so the brochure must be quite scarce now. Having decided on a gentler wording for the new brochure Watchtower probably decided they didn’t want copies of an older, more direct approach hanging around. I think the old brochure even quoted the Quran in places.
Thanks for the information on Indonesia. I forgot to mention that JWs have had moderate success preaching to Turkish Muslims in Germany and Austria, where there are a number of Turkish congregations. Turkish Muslims are perhaps a special case because Turkey was until recently a stand out secular country among Muslim nations.
Kazakhstan has a good number of JWs. It might be worth trying to find out how many of those are former Muslims. Over the years Watchtower has sent Gilead missionaries to countries such as Egypt, Lebanon, and Libya when those countries have allowed missionaries. Yes I am sure there are JWs from Palestine with Muslim backgrounds too because there were features about Israelis and Palestinians in harmony in the Christian congregation in the magazines.