slimboyfat

Joined

• started 539 topics
• posted 17,742 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by slimboyfat

• 
  11530

  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  slimboyfat

  He means the Marko allegations in 2017, I think, because somebody made a video about it then. Mark O’Donnell alluded to it in his public statement when he said allegations against Lloyd from 2017 were false. Which is interesting: that Mark O’Donnell knew about those allegations, and also strange that Mark O’Donnell felt qualified to state that the allegations were false. He should have said they are not proven. Who really knows if they are false, apart from Lloyd himself, and possibly a few others?

  Anyway, all that is a major distraction, and basically Lloyd’s tactic of clouding the issue by mixing up the things he has admitted to, with other allegations that are as yet unproven, and them treating them all as if they are the same thing.

  Which seems like a pretty high risk strategy to me. Because when he is so clearly lying about the recent stuff being libellous, it’s obviously going to make people wonder if he’s lying about the old allegations too.
• 
  11530

  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  slimboyfat

  I noticed the Patreon numbers coming down again too.

  I think he’s given up adding to the numbers. There are only so many fake Patreons he can add I suppose.
  
• 
  26

  When did JWs stop reciting the Lord’s Prayer together?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone know what year?

  .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  slimboyfat

  Yes dropoffyourkeylee that sounds reasonable about the introduction of the NWT, in 1950. The timing fits, I was thinking that too!
• 
  26

  When did JWs stop reciting the Lord’s Prayer together?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone know what year?

  .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  slimboyfat

  Thanks Atlantis, that’s excellent. 👍

  So it was in other countries too, and lasted until at least 1952.

  I wonder when it stopped. Perhaps they just dropped it without any fanfare or mention in the literature.
• 
  134

  How far do we get away from 1914

  by PimoElder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

  they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

  with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  slimboyfat

  Seventh-day Adventists keep 1844. That’s 178 years and counting.

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1997527

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_judgment
  
  
• 
  26

  When did JWs stop reciting the Lord’s Prayer together?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does anyone know what year?

  .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  slimboyfat

  These are interesting comments on early prayer meetings and their development and/or abandonment.

  But I’m wondering in particular about the practice of “praying the Lord’s prayer in unison” that Knorr mentioned was practiced at the HQs in 1949. Many churches still do this in many different traditions: Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, Coptic … even Unitarian. When did JWs stop “praying the Lord’s prayer in unison”?
  

  Diogenesisiter I have never come across this practice among JWs, or ever heard it even mentioned. But it’s there in the 1949 Watchtower, so I was wondering if others have information. It is very interesting to hear you say you encountered it as a JW. I experienced it at school, and a few church settings when young, never at the Kingdom Hall.

  https://youtu.be/HDF67hCcnAk
  
• 
  19

  "Grace" and "post-modernity"

  by Narkissos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was thinking today (again, for i may well have already written something similar before) that if one word of christian theology has any chance to survive into (and, perhaps, past) the so-called "post-modern" era that would probably be "grace".. i wrote "word" rather than "concept" or "notion" because "grace" is not easily reduced to a single meaning.

  in the bible the hebrew and greek words usually translated as "grace" ("undeserved kindness" in the nw overtranslation) happen to fall both sides of an unlikely semantic "border," between aesthetics ("grace" = "beauty") and ethics ("grace" = exception to, or excess over, "justice").

  and in christian tradition too the idea of "grace" has been construed in a number of ways.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  slimboyfat

  Interesting old post by Narkissos on “grace”, worth revisiting.
• 
  11530

  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  slimboyfat

  Stay alive until 1975!

  Make do until post 2032!
• 
  11530

  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  slimboyfat

  Yes, very toxic. These exchanges are amazing, each one more obnoxious than the last. What an awful person.

  I noticed the part of the video conversation between Andrew Gold and Dr Sohom where Andrew Gold said something along the lines of, “I know we shouldn’t make judgements about a person’s private life, but even so, what he did to his wife was pretty bad.” Which is a normal reaction shared by most people outside of his shrinking, and frankly somewhat deranged looking, band of loyalists on Twitter.

  In his original interview with Andrew Gold, Lloyd even said he was tempted to “argue” with his patrons who are abandoning him to point out to them in individual messages as they left, that they had made a mistake judging him for his private life. He doesn’t even allow for the idea that people are allowed to find the way he behaves repulsive and withdraw their support as a result. He attributes this to misunderstanding, or faulty reasoning on their part, rather than a normal response to his behaviour. He’s so far gone it’s like he inhabits his own morally upside down world.
• 
  12

  The Sanitizing of David

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the bible depicts king david as a deeply flawed, unsavory character, the perpetrator of evil acts including: murder, insurrection, adultery, banditry, and extortion.

  the sanitizing of david’s character during the following centuries and millennia created an image that idolizes him as the paragon of virtue, closely associated with the promised messiah.

  my study identifies the davidic sanitizing process.. https://www.academia.edu/s/390a7ba170?source=link .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  slimboyfat

  I find Psalm 51:3,4 problematic, where it has David saying that he sinned against God and no one else, because it seems to dismiss accountability to other humans for his actions.

  For I know my transgressions,
  and my sin is ever before me.

  Against you, you only, have I sinned
  and done what is evil in your sight,
  so that you may be justified in your words
  and blameless in your judgment.