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  LDS leader James J. Hamula excommunicated

  by oppostate in

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  lds leader james j. hamula excommunicated.

  http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/faith/lds-leader-james-j-hamula-excommunicated/article_bc1f3f66-b315-5f2d-bf6e-473eef082209.html.

  in a rare action taken by the senior leadership of the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints, a disciplinary council was held for general authority seventy james j. hamula, and he has been excommunicated from the lds church..

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  slimboyfat

  Mormons tell me that their excommunication is not as harsh. They still attend services and people talk to them. They just can't take communion. Is that true?
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  New Instructions?

  by FedUpJW in

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  i may have missed it, but i just heard from a local elder that there are "new" instructions for how the two one day assembly's are to be conducted and handled......fifty-nine pages worth.

  he said they will now all be put on the same as the regional conventions.

  did i miss that letter/orders from "mother"?

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  I think a lot of people used to put in a donation at the end of the day when they got a new book in their hand. With the non-release release at this year's convention, maybe they'll get less in donations.
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  So how did JF Rutherford function...?

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  every picture i have seen at him at beth shirim and other private places are with a bottle of alcohol.. while for me personally i couldn't care less anymore.... for jw's this is low moral character.

  so i'm an going to guess he was a functioning alcoholic... how did that work with his closest workers?

  was he gay too?

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  slimboyfat

  Is the guy in the video related to Larc who used to post on here and was also somehow related to the Rutherford shenanigans?
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  New Instructions?

  by FedUpJW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i may have missed it, but i just heard from a local elder that there are "new" instructions for how the two one day assembly's are to be conducted and handled......fifty-nine pages worth.

  he said they will now all be put on the same as the regional conventions.

  did i miss that letter/orders from "mother"?

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  slimboyfat

  I can't imagine what would require 50 pages of new instructions.

  As far as I'm aware they've dropped the name "special assembly day" and they have one 3-day convention and two 1-day conventions/assemblies(?). Apparently there's also a push to hold smaller 3-day conventions in assembly halls.

  That's about it, I think. Nothing major, unless there's something new.

  I think scrapping the large conventions would be a mistake because they are the most popular. The small assemblies are just like large congregations and pretty boring. But the relentless trend is toward more and more boring, so that's probably what they'll do.
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  So how did JF Rutherford function...?

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  every picture i have seen at him at beth shirim and other private places are with a bottle of alcohol.. while for me personally i couldn't care less anymore.... for jw's this is low moral character.

  so i'm an going to guess he was a functioning alcoholic... how did that work with his closest workers?

  was he gay too?

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  slimboyfat

  That was a very interesting video.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

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  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  I think JWs have agreed that Jesus may be called God in Heb 1:8 and they have no problem with Jesus being called God. They point out that the original recipient of the Psalm (Solomon?) was also called God, in that case, as a representative of Jehovah. On the other hand, as Wonderment points out, there are many Bible versions and commentators who translate and understand theos in the verse as nominative, as the NWT does, and not vocative.

  I think JWs are right about the divine name in the NT, but that doesn't mean they are right about every single case where the name is either used or not used. These are judgements. It should probably be used in Heb 1:10, however the specific text that is quoted doesn't contain the name in the extant Hebrew, so an argument can be made. In any case the NT is consistent in distinguishing Jesus from God and saying that Jesus is God's representative. Hebrews 1 is consistent with that.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
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  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  slimboyfat

  Good point OrphanCrow, that's one I always wondered about too. I can't see any justification for not using Jehovah in Heb 1:10 other than it's embarrassing for JWs to explain why Jesus is apparently called Jehovah here.

  There might possibly be an issue with the Hebrew, inasmuch as I'm not sure if the divine name is used in this Psalm in Hebrew in the places where the later Christian LXX has Lord.

  But I don't think they should be afraid of translating such verses that apply the name Jehovah to Jesus, because the NT says that Jesus is given the name above every name. (Phil 2) In other words the name of God is given to Jesus and he acts as Jehovah's representative. It was customary for a representative of the monarch to be addressed as the monarch, and this is the scenario that is applied to Jesus. Plus another angle is that Hebrews 1 isn't necessarily identifying Jesus with Jehovah in Heb 1:10 any more than, strictly speaking, it is identifying Jesus with Solomon(?) in Heb 1:8. Because the phrase it uses is "with respect to the son" rather than addressing the son. Indicating it's aspects of the Son's character rather than an identification that is in focus.

  But I agree, if being consistent, Heb 1:10 should probably use God's name even if the extant Hebrew doesn't have the Tetragram, because the assumption should reasonably be that the LXX was based on a Hebrew text that did contain the name, and that the early LXX would have used the name.

  There are a few other such examples but this is a good example.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  slimboyfat

  Was that me? I think that might have been days ago, and half asleep.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  slimboyfat

  If it's unrealistic all Argentinans could be pascifist then it's unrealistic all British people could be pascificf. You can't have it both ways.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  slimboyfat

  When JWs opted out of WWII that was morally reprehensible.

  Like August Dickmann? If everyone had acted as he did there would have been no war and no Holocaust. Dickman and men like him were true heroes.