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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

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  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  slimboyfat

  Pretty candid discussion in their main publication on the topic The Divine Name that will Endure Forever:

  The position of God's name is unshakeable in the Hebrew Scriptures... With the Christian Greek Scriptures, the "New Testament", the situation is different... no ancient Greek manuscript that we possess today of the books of Matthew to Revelation contains God's name in full. (Page 23)

  da-ip.getmyip.com:8080/PDF/Old%20Publications/1984,%202006%20-%20The%20Divine%20Name%20That%20Will%20Endure%20Forever%20-%20brochure.pdf
  

  Acts 15 quotes from the OT and refers to Jehovah. Even the name Jesus itself is a reference to salvation from Jehovah and the early Christians were aware the meaning of Jesus' name. (See Matthew 1:21 for example) Frank Shaw demonstrates that the name was very much current in early Christianity.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
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  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  Well that's odd, since JW publications have discussed the absence of the divine name in NT manuscripts, the evidence that it was in the originals, and the basis for its restoration in the NWT. All any JW need do is read the NWT appendix, among other publications.

  I think it's important because it's one of the strong lines of evidence JWs can point to for having the truth. If Acts 15 is correct that God has a named people, then it's difficult to see who qualifies better than JWs. Especially since other Christians don't even recognise the importance of the name even in the context of a text such as Acts which is explicitly about the name. Another strong line of evidence is the fact JWs refuse to kill each other, which one would have thought would be a basic requirement for a Christian community, but which distinguishes JWs from most (notice I didn't say all, don't misquote me) Christians,
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  slimboyfat

  IAW was used by one break off sect of Jews near the first century

  Where is your evidence for this? Frank Shaw's book demonstrates that the name IAW was widely used including sources as diverse as the LXX fragment of Leviticus, Greco-Roman authors, Christian onomastica, Jewish authors, and passages of the NT text itself including Rev 1:8, not to mention the mystical contexts in which the name was later used. Rather than sectarian or parochial this tends to indicate widespread common usage.

  jwfacts I appreciate you believe the evidence is not strong enough. JWs and a number of non-JW scholars feel otherwise (including Trobisch who you don't interact with). The book of Acts talks about Jehovah calling out a people from the nations for his name. If these are the last days, and the LXX discoveries, combined with onomastica and other evidence, has brought new attention to Jehovah's name, if a person is inclined to see God's hand in history, it is not difficult to see it here.
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  steve2 I wrote the latest comment above days ago. It made more sense when I wrote it than the context where it now appears abrupt and irrelevant.

  jwfacts you write:

  In addition, you are misrepresenting Howard at least, who is not dogmatic that the Divine name was in the NT, but suggests it as a possibility.

  Which is a bit odd since on page 4 I wrote:

  much has been made of the fact George Howard presented his idea as a "theory". It's true he wasn't dogmatic, he didn't need to be. He wasn't a JW and his faith didn't depend on it. But did he believe he was correct about the divine name in the NT? Well obviously he did or else why make the argument and assemble all the evidence to make his case?

  Other than agreeing with you explicitly that Howard was not dogmatic, how could I state in any clearer terms that Howard was not dogmatic?

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  such as Watchtower'a beloved BeDuhn, do not support the Divine name in the NT. You have cherry picked the couple you agree with.

  Again an odd statement since my opening post explicitly mentioned BeDuhn's opposition since I thought it was fair to do so:

  2003 - Manichaean scholar Jason BeDuhn praises the NWT as the most accurate modern translation in his book Truth in Translation but argues that the inclusion of the divine name in the NT is a mistake

  Did you actually read my post before accusing me of cherry picking?
  

  steve2 what I am trying to point out is that most scholars are of the view that Kyrios stood in the original NT autographs. But it's certainly worth pointing out thaf this too involves a significant conjecture, since the earliest NT manuscripts do not use Kyrios but rather the nomina sacra abbreviated form KS.

  Which is important because some evangelical polemicists state that they straightforwardly accept the earliest manuscript evidence whereas JWs do not. But in fact the earliest manuscripts don't use YHWH, IAW, or Kyrios. Rather they use KS, which no one seems to argue was original.

  So the question becomes, not whether the treatment of divine names changed between the NT autographs and the earliest manuscripts witnesses, but how it changed. Evangelicals and JWs are actually in the same boat in the sense that, what appears in the earliest manuscripts is assumed, by both sides, not to match what stood in the original.
  
  
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  The most successful teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses and an amazing new book on the divine name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses have had to revise their chronology and various doctrinal interpretations due to events and scholarly corrections.

  but the one teaching where they have been consistently ahead of the curve is the importance of jehovah's name.. .

  i'm going to run through a (necessarily selective) timeline of jw events and scholarly publications that demonstrate the phenomenal success of this teaching in the last days.

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  jwfacts how do you think the divine name was represented in the original NT and what is your evidence? Please give a precise and short answer because I want to develop this point.
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  New Announcement At The 2017 - DF'd People To Sit At The Back Of The Hall

  by pale.emperor in

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  has anyone else heard this?

  a poster on another thread said it's a new rule brought in at this years convention.. last year they were told to shun even non df people and now this?

  a religion cant force someone where to plonk their ass surely?.

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  Yes the ironic call for spontaneous clapping following the decades long call for non-clapping.

  Some JWs seize any opportunity to judge others. So it's likely not only people who have been personally hurt that will exercise their "free conscience" on this one. But that's the situation the WT invokes to promote this particular bizarre detail of a bizarre ritual.

  Another thing about the video. The woman didn't seem to put a foot wrong while seeking reinstatement, yet she says it took "nearly a year". Clear message being, even if you behave yourself as we say, expect it to take longer than six months to get reinstated.
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  New Announcement At The 2017 - DF'd People To Sit At The Back Of The Hall

  by pale.emperor in

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  has anyone else heard this?

  a poster on another thread said it's a new rule brought in at this years convention.. last year they were told to shun even non df people and now this?

  a religion cant force someone where to plonk their ass surely?.

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  slimboyfat

  Plus if she's sitting there in the second school, where is she supposed to go when it's being used?

  Come to that, do second schools still exist not the TMS has been abolished/renamed?
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  New Announcement At The 2017 - DF'd People To Sit At The Back Of The Hall

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anyone else heard this?

  a poster on another thread said it's a new rule brought in at this years convention.. last year they were told to shun even non df people and now this?

  a religion cant force someone where to plonk their ass surely?.

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  slimboyfat

  Is it common for DFed to sit behind the glass like that?

  Another thing about the video. When the reinstatement was announced look at the audience. Some clapped and some didn't. This was noted at the meeting as a "good example" of people exercising individual conscience, deciding for themselves whether to clap or not. I'm not joking.
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  New Announcement At The 2017 - DF'd People To Sit At The Back Of The Hall

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anyone else heard this?

  a poster on another thread said it's a new rule brought in at this years convention.. last year they were told to shun even non df people and now this?

  a religion cant force someone where to plonk their ass surely?.

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  slimboyfat

  Not only did she sit at the back, but they put her behind glass! I don't even know any regular KHs that have facility for this, only Assembly Halls.
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  What kind of toppings do you like on a Pizza?

  by Iamallcool in

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  i want something different on my next pizza!.

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  slimboyfat

  Ha I just ordered pizza!

  Chicken, onion and sweetcorn. Not very adventurous