I agree to disagree.
I guess one's own view on abortion depends on their own view on suicide and torturous living.
lonelysheep
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Being a Pro-Life Atheist
by B_Deserter init's strange and i'm not sure if it's because of my upbringing, but i just can't be pro-choice.
i just don't see the rational justification (other than a situation where the mother's life is in danger).
i don't, however, see a problem with stuff like the morning-after pill, when the embryo is just a group of cells with no consciousness.
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Being a Pro-Life Atheist
by B_Deserter init's strange and i'm not sure if it's because of my upbringing, but i just can't be pro-choice.
i just don't see the rational justification (other than a situation where the mother's life is in danger).
i don't, however, see a problem with stuff like the morning-after pill, when the embryo is just a group of cells with no consciousness.
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lonelysheep
Yes, thank you for the cited sources!
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Being a Pro-Life Atheist
by B_Deserter init's strange and i'm not sure if it's because of my upbringing, but i just can't be pro-choice.
i just don't see the rational justification (other than a situation where the mother's life is in danger).
i don't, however, see a problem with stuff like the morning-after pill, when the embryo is just a group of cells with no consciousness.
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lonelysheep
I wouldn't want children raised in loveless environments either, but as there are couples who cannot have their own children, they seem to fill a role here, and I don't think there are hardly any of them. If the problem is love, then the mother with none can give the child to someone with plenty to offer.
Who gets to determine if that home is loving or not? Social workers?
The child would be the only one to truly know.
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Being a Pro-Life Atheist
by B_Deserter init's strange and i'm not sure if it's because of my upbringing, but i just can't be pro-choice.
i just don't see the rational justification (other than a situation where the mother's life is in danger).
i don't, however, see a problem with stuff like the morning-after pill, when the embryo is just a group of cells with no consciousness.
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lonelysheep
Is a fetus 2 months or under a baby? Does that fetus have more rights than the woman who owns that womb and all its contents?
That is the question I am asking YOU. I believe a fetus less than 2 months old is human. As such, it is entitled to LIFE.
I believe a fetus less than two months is a potential human. This is even after seeing all stages of development in my face in the reproductive section of the BODIES exhibit.
I mentioned the "pro war/pro kill tyes" because if you are going to be prolife, then take a humanistic viewpoint torward adults as well. For many who are prolife (for the general population, individually or not) picking and choosing when 'people' have rights seems to start at conception and end after they are born.
I do not pick and choose, I think I have a logical and consistent view on life.
Most people in the US, not you specifically. No implications meant.
Unless someone is pregnant, I guess it's not anyone's decision but her's. I did not write of taking out villages and orphanages like that statement subconciously implies.
O.K. So the unborn have no say in their own fate?
No. At the same time, numerous amounts of the "born" do not have any say so on their own fate, either.
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Being a Pro-Life Atheist
by B_Deserter init's strange and i'm not sure if it's because of my upbringing, but i just can't be pro-choice.
i just don't see the rational justification (other than a situation where the mother's life is in danger).
i don't, however, see a problem with stuff like the morning-after pill, when the embryo is just a group of cells with no consciousness.
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lonelysheep
A&W--where did you get that list?
Also, I just love how it makes statements about health risks yet doesn't explain the actual medical and/or anatomical linkage other than the fact that those organs exist inside a woman. Abortions contribute to endometriosis, how? And that was just one.
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Being a Pro-Life Atheist
by B_Deserter init's strange and i'm not sure if it's because of my upbringing, but i just can't be pro-choice.
i just don't see the rational justification (other than a situation where the mother's life is in danger).
i don't, however, see a problem with stuff like the morning-after pill, when the embryo is just a group of cells with no consciousness.
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lonelysheep
Cells in their earliest stages are not people.
But cells in later stages are? Please explain.
Again, this goes to what you consider a living being. I unfortunately do not have the free time needed to insert information in this post detailing stages of fetal development. Not that it would make a difference.
I'm not trying to get you to change your own mind, yet I do see differing viewpoints on here as a good thing.
I'm not talking about a breathing, kicking, and/or rolling around in the womb infant who has to finish growing to 7 pounds. I know that's the way you want to think of the first two months after conception, but that isn't the case.
What is the case then? And how does it affect the ethical considerations?
Is a fetus 2 months or under a baby? Does that fetus have more rights than the woman who owns that womb and all its contents?
The rights of the voiceless innocent must be protected when they are out of the womb, Burn. 12 years later, 17 years later...it never stops. Life is life. Cells are cells and not life. That same Jerry Falwell type of stance is the same one that is first to go pro-war/pro-kill from the age of 18 on.
Then why can't they be protected in the womb, lostsheep? "Cells are cells and not life". When are they "life" then? And what does pro-war/pro-kill Jerry Fallwell types have to do with it?
First, come at me correctly. There is no need to make jabs with my screenname because there is no need to make personal jabs at all.
I mentioned the "pro war/pro kill tyes" because if you are going to be prolife, then take a humanistic viewpoint torward adults as well. For many who are prolife (for the general population, individually or not) picking and choosing when 'people' have rights seems to start at conception and end after they are born.
It's interesting to see WHY people are prolife.
There are plenty of children to adopt without going to another country, but so many choose not to do that. They don't want to have a child to raise for whatever reasons.
So lets kill them instead?Unless someone is pregnant, I guess it's not anyone's decision but her's. I did not write of taking out villages and orphanages like that statement subconciously implies.
How many children have you adopted?
None-yet. But I do not think that this affects the validity of my point of view on the matter.
I brought up adoption to point out that unwanted kids are out there and what are you doing about it. I haven't adopted yet, either. They have the right to a home of their own. So, I went from two months conception to 10 years abandoned.
Karma is part of people's own minds and perspectives. That doesn't make it real.
Leaving karmic metaphysics aside (which was not my point), my point is, that when we inure ourselves to the destruction of our progeny, our ultimate survival comes into doubt.On a message board, perhaps other words should be utilized.
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Being a Pro-Life Atheist
by B_Deserter init's strange and i'm not sure if it's because of my upbringing, but i just can't be pro-choice.
i just don't see the rational justification (other than a situation where the mother's life is in danger).
i don't, however, see a problem with stuff like the morning-after pill, when the embryo is just a group of cells with no consciousness.
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lonelysheep
May God have mercy on the souls of the poor unborn, and may He forgive those that murder them.
<-------------------------My honest reply.
Cells in their earliest stages are not people.
An unborn child is not merely a medical condition, it is a living human being.
I'm not talking about a breathing, kicking, and/or rolling around in the womb infant who has to finish growing to 7 pounds. I know that's the way you want to think of the first two months after conception, but that isn't the case.
Religious or not, atheist or not, statist or libertarian, left or right, whatever, the rights of the voiceless innocent must be protected. Once a society turns its back on them, its doom is certain. Karma, the law of nature, or divine judgement, the evil we visit on them, will be returned an hundredfold on us.
The rights of the voiceless innocent must be protected when they are out of the womb, Burn. 12 years later, 17 years later...it never stops. Life is life. Cells are cells and not life. That same Jerry Falwell type of stance is the same one that is first to go pro-war/pro-kill from the age of 18 on.
There are plenty of children to adopt without going to another country, but so many choose not to do that. They don't want to have a child to raise for whatever reasons.
How many children have you adopted?Karma is part of people's own minds and perspectives. That doesn't make it real.
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Giants Win the SuperBowl - 17 - 14
by pratt1 inthey said it wouldn't happen.. as a life long giants fan, i am over the moon!.
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lonelysheep
As a lifelong Giants fan, I am thrilled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew they would do it. How could anyone think they couldn't or wouldn't?! ;) I was happy to wear my Manning jersey last night. Felt horrible for Jeremy Shockey.
Champagne was opened. Lots of loud screams and jumping around like fools. Traffic galore-many, many people from NY & NJ going home after the game.
I'm happily exhausted.
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Super Bowl XLII 2/3/2008 Official prediction / comment thread
by Gopher inso the new york - boston rivalry will now play out in the nfl's 42nd super bowl on february 3, in the game between the new york giants and the new england patriots.. will new england be able to keep its perfect winning record?
they have won every game thrown at them, even a few games where they looked vulnerable (such as against the baltimore ravens and even against the n.y. giants).
will their talent and will to win prevail?.
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lonelysheep
I was off on the score but did put the Giants up by 3 points.
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lonelysheep
LOL
Isn't that the truth!