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  US ready to seize Gulf oil in 1973

  by ignored_one in

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  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3333995.stm

  us ready to seize gulf oil in 1973 by paul reynolds .

  bbc news online world affairs correspondent .

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  berten

  >...Modern war is NEVER profitable...ever.

  Except for the weapons dealers of course :-)
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  Hidden Images In WT Publications

  by Hunyadi in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  first of all, i would like to thank everyone who responded to my first posting regarding the hidden images thing.

  i will admit that, after re-reading my initial post, i sounded like some sort of a paranoid alarmist, and i really did deserve the flack i received from some of you folks.. let me just say that there probably isn't a single x-jw who doesn't feel as though they have been duped to some degree with regard to the so-called "bible truth" they received while serving the organization.

  many x-jws firmly use the terms "manipulation", "fear", "deception", and even more .

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  berten

  >...someone just trying to amuse themselves in the art department. >I would imagine after working in the art department at bethel for a >few years one would try to find something/anything to amuse themselves... These illustrations stretch over several years,and you really believe that all this time those "funny" guys at the art department are/were getting away with having their fun without being called to order?This in such a heavily controlled environment like the WTS?
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  Hidden Images In WT Publications

  by Hunyadi in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  first of all, i would like to thank everyone who responded to my first posting regarding the hidden images thing.

  i will admit that, after re-reading my initial post, i sounded like some sort of a paranoid alarmist, and i really did deserve the flack i received from some of you folks.. let me just say that there probably isn't a single x-jw who doesn't feel as though they have been duped to some degree with regard to the so-called "bible truth" they received while serving the organization.

  many x-jws firmly use the terms "manipulation", "fear", "deception", and even more .

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  berten

  This link might interest you,in case you did not know it already:

  http://www.davidicke.net/mindcontrol/subliminal/jw/sjw091900.html
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  Kingdom Melodies: A Method Of Self-Imprinting?

  by Englishman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm trying to find a site that contains the actual lyrics of all the kingdom melodies.

  i have a theory that many contain words that subliminally influence the way that jw's think.

  i believe that the singing and repetition of these words actually results in a type of self-imprinting brain-washing.. if anyone knows of such a site or is able to contribute some typical instances of the afore mentioned subliminal influences i would much appreciate it.. englishman.

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  berten

  EMan:

  >...I have a theory that many contain words that subliminally influence the way that JW's think...

  Careful

  You might be held for a "Crackpot" by the likes of "rem" and his sort for believing in subliminals...
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  Hidden Images in the JW Publications

  by Hunyadi in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am a disfellowshipped brother and have never had a problem with the organization's doctrines.

  i am, however, deeply disturbed at the undeniable use of hidden or subliminal images in the illustrations of the wt publications.

  there are so many that it cannot be interpreted as anything other than a deliberate pattern.

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  berten

  >...Do you believe in this subliminal image stuff? Just curious.
  

  What would you care? Since my opinion "stinks"...
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  Hidden Images in the JW Publications

  by Hunyadi in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am a disfellowshipped brother and have never had a problem with the organization's doctrines.

  i am, however, deeply disturbed at the undeniable use of hidden or subliminal images in the illustrations of the wt publications.

  there are so many that it cannot be interpreted as anything other than a deliberate pattern.

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  berten

  >...You are right, there are no crackpots or rationoal JW's. All ideas are of equal validity and none should be criticized.

  Calling someone a "crackpot" won't help being taken seriously if you want to discuss this subject.

  But I don't think you want to.You just like to pontificate and stuff *your* truth down someone's throat.

  Did you really leave the JW's ? I don't think so...

  >Excuse me if I think your opinion stinks. :)

  Apologies accepted,and don't hurt yourself too much while thinking.

  Have a nice day...

  Oh and by the way,it's rational not "rationoal",I guess you were a bit emotional

  when you typed your response :-)
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  Hidden Images in the JW Publications

  by Hunyadi in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am a disfellowshipped brother and have never had a problem with the organization's doctrines.

  i am, however, deeply disturbed at the undeniable use of hidden or subliminal images in the illustrations of the wt publications.

  there are so many that it cannot be interpreted as anything other than a deliberate pattern.

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  berten

  >Wow! Crackpot, anyone? This guy really believes that subliminal images somehow undermines free will...

  Wow! Insulting post anyone?

  Read the rules of this board,rem,before you put down others for having another opinion

  that does not agree with yours...

  >...Any rational JW...

  Being a JW *and* rational? I don't think so...
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  Threat level raised to "Orange"

  by DanTheMan in

  1. social
  2. current

  http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20031221/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terror_threat

  i'm feeling very antsy, i've been waiting for a much bigger "other shoe to drop" since 9/11.. i don't know if it's all the years of the apocalyptic jw thinking but i still live with a haunting fear that the whole works is headed for a spectacular crash.

  i wonder how helpless chinese villagers felt when they saw ghenghis khan's hordes on the horizon heading toward them.

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  berten

  Sheila:

  >...See if they DIDN'T and something happened that would give all you haters...

  Haters of *what?*
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  What Do You Know About The "Illumanati" and "Gray Aliens"???

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this week i ran into 2 people (on the same day) that i know, don't know each other, and they both talked about conspiracies and the role of the "illumanati" and the belief in "gray aliens".

  the one that knew i was a witness congratulated me for my decision to stop attending meetings and believing in the witnesses.

  russell was a member of the "illumanati" and how the "aliens" were telepathically (sp.

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  berten

  >...Has anyone read the Robert Anton Wilson books, especially the series 'Cosmic Trigger, and the secrets of the Illuminati'?

  I read them about 15 years ago,or at least,I *tried* to read them.I gave up on them somewhere halfway;they where just

  too unreadable.I prefer his non-fiction books,I read most of them and his "Prometheus Rising" was his best...
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  What Do You Know About The "Illumanati" and "Gray Aliens"???

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this week i ran into 2 people (on the same day) that i know, don't know each other, and they both talked about conspiracies and the role of the "illumanati" and the belief in "gray aliens".

  the one that knew i was a witness congratulated me for my decision to stop attending meetings and believing in the witnesses.

  russell was a member of the "illumanati" and how the "aliens" were telepathically (sp.

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  berten

  CZAR:
  >But, I doubt very much that aliens are involved.
  >I mean, that's a lot of work to enslave a population
  >- why not just attack, death rays, chains,
  >that kind of thing. Or is that just my primitive ape-mind thinking?
  
  The best sort of invasion and takeover is the one that goes unnoticed,
  because this way the enslaved will
  never feel the need to rebel against the oppressor,
  hence no need for death rays etc ...
  
  Strange that no one has yet mentioned "Nutter" David Icke ...