hi inquirer,
you may have a second look at the pseudepigraphia. the thomas gospel does not contain any info about jesus being a child. what you mean is the childhood proto-gospel of "thomas". btw: most of the bible's writings are pseudepigraphical. there are just a few original pauline letters and the pentateuch was - if at all - only partially written by moses. this is true for most of the other books too.
as for your "prophecies": take moby-dick and you'll find prophecies of you'r life in there if you twist it good enough. the bible contains more pages than moby-dick, it's easy to cut passages out of context and say it's a prophecy. oh, so his bones were not broken? well, if they would have been, they would have found a passage in the bible about broken bones...
you may want to check out the following links:
http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/prophecy.html
about jesus being a false prophet, just look at the "generation"-issue. or his statement, that he'd return before they'd have evangelized in the jewish cities.
there's nothing philosophical about it - it's just about the fact that the bible aint god's word. doesn't even come close...
googlemagoogle
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The King James Version is Perfect
by blabbermouth ini don't know about anybody else,but i love the beautiful king james version.it contains no error and is perfect.there are no mistranslations in it,and none can be proven.i don't read or study anything else for spirituality.im like a tree that is planted by the water,i shall not be moved,amen,amen,hallelujah,praise jesus!!!!
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Did you lie before getting married in the KH?
by Samuel Thorsen inas you know every young couple who is planning to get married in the kh are asked a question about "clean conduct" a week or two before the wedding.
if you admit to have been fooling around to much you can forget about the kh and go and get married elsewhere.. i'm not married myself, but i was engaged to be married once and my soon-to-be father in law (an elder) recommended a certain elder to do the marriage stuff in the kh because he was a kind of easy on the mantadory questions.. fortunatly in never got that far because me and my girl split up about 2 months before the planned wedding, but i have been to a lot of kh weddings and i know for sure that some of the couples had to lie to cover up their conduct to get married in the hall.. but how common is this?.
did you lie before getting maried in the kh, or do you know someone who did?.
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they asked if we didn't commit anything considered "unclean". we said no, although we "experimented" a lot before marriage. i didn't really feel like lying, as i didn't view those things as "unclean". additionally, their definition of "lie" allows for stretching the truth.
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Jude and 1 Enoch
by Leolaia inuse of 1 enoch elsewhere in jude.
jude 4 = 1 enoch 48:8-10, 81:1-2, 108:6-7 .
jude 6 = 1 enoch 10:4-12, 12:4, 15:3-7 .
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the enoch-quote in jude originally made me have a closer look at the canon. this single scripture made me change my whole world-view.
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The King James Version is Perfect
by blabbermouth ini don't know about anybody else,but i love the beautiful king james version.it contains no error and is perfect.there are no mistranslations in it,and none can be proven.i don't read or study anything else for spirituality.im like a tree that is planted by the water,i shall not be moved,amen,amen,hallelujah,praise jesus!!!!
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hi inquirer,
believe me, i've read a lot of pseudepigraphal and apocryphal writings. they are not any more crap than the bible. i mean, talking snakes and donkeys... and fruit that makes you live forever and stuff like that. as someone else on this board said before (and i really love that statement): "when you start viewing the bible as what it is, a book of man, not of god, it all makes perfect sense". go read gilgamesh, you'd be surprised.
the historical accounts to prove jesus existance all have problems. in old versions of josephus' antiquitae the "christ" parts are missing. smeels like forgery. and tacitus may have just written what some christian told him.
but that's not the issue. the issue is, even if jesus would have existed, and even if he spoke some of the words written in the canonical gospels, he was a false prophet. his prophecies were never fulfilled. that's the truth. -
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The Jewish Messiah?
by AlmostAtheist inmoshe wrote in another thread:i studied with a rabbi and found out why i was so confused by the nt gospel teachings.
of course, i never bothered to ask any jew what they teach about their messiah, i just assumed that the christian teaching about the jewish messiah matched what the jews believed about the coming messiah in the 1st century-not!
you've only vaguely brushed up against your jewish knowledge on this forum, at least that i've seen.
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That would be like the Watchtower
one of the things the watchtower and other churches want to make us believe, is that first century christendom was united. it was not. there were just about as many different groups as there are now. if not more. -
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The Jewish Messiah?
by AlmostAtheist inmoshe wrote in another thread:i studied with a rabbi and found out why i was so confused by the nt gospel teachings.
of course, i never bothered to ask any jew what they teach about their messiah, i just assumed that the christian teaching about the jewish messiah matched what the jews believed about the coming messiah in the 1st century-not!
you've only vaguely brushed up against your jewish knowledge on this forum, at least that i've seen.
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So what was the original context of Genesis 3:15
genesis 3:14 maybe? do you think that text is "messianic"? messy maybe, yes, but "messianic"?
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The King James Version is Perfect
by blabbermouth ini don't know about anybody else,but i love the beautiful king james version.it contains no error and is perfect.there are no mistranslations in it,and none can be proven.i don't read or study anything else for spirituality.im like a tree that is planted by the water,i shall not be moved,amen,amen,hallelujah,praise jesus!!!!
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hi inquirer, don't worry, i wont get angry that quickly... ;-)
People that wrote those Apocryphal books knew that they weren't from God.
how do you know? and then again: the bible-writers didn't know their writings would be viewed as "god's word" centuries later. if they would have known, they would have probably written more carefully.
You have to decide what is holy or what isn't.
so it's a subjective decision, right? not provable? that's good. because if there's any truth about it (and there is not), then noone is to blame for not believing. -
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The Jewish Messiah?
by AlmostAtheist inmoshe wrote in another thread:i studied with a rabbi and found out why i was so confused by the nt gospel teachings.
of course, i never bothered to ask any jew what they teach about their messiah, i just assumed that the christian teaching about the jewish messiah matched what the jews believed about the coming messiah in the 1st century-not!
you've only vaguely brushed up against your jewish knowledge on this forum, at least that i've seen.
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deputy, and where does Isa 7:14 fit in there?
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The Jewish Messiah?
by AlmostAtheist inmoshe wrote in another thread:i studied with a rabbi and found out why i was so confused by the nt gospel teachings.
of course, i never bothered to ask any jew what they teach about their messiah, i just assumed that the christian teaching about the jewish messiah matched what the jews believed about the coming messiah in the 1st century-not!
you've only vaguely brushed up against your jewish knowledge on this forum, at least that i've seen.
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why should a rooster be born of a woman? don't get it...
How many women claimed God was the father of their child? How many of those children claimed to be God?
wooh, a hell of a lot. one of them even told her husband-to-be that the holy ghost came upon her...
almostatheist (still almost?), the link i posted also includes some info why jesus didn't qualify as the jewish messiah. -
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The Jewish Messiah?
by AlmostAtheist inmoshe wrote in another thread:i studied with a rabbi and found out why i was so confused by the nt gospel teachings.
of course, i never bothered to ask any jew what they teach about their messiah, i just assumed that the christian teaching about the jewish messiah matched what the jews believed about the coming messiah in the 1st century-not!
you've only vaguely brushed up against your jewish knowledge on this forum, at least that i've seen.
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deputy dog, so you know some messiah called immanuel? i guess several young women called their sons immanuel, but never heard of a messiah with that name...