Posts by hubert

theory of a "paradise earth", you'd see it would be absolutely impossible for 6 or 7 , even 20 million people to "maintain" the earth to keep it in liveable condition, never mind a "paradise earth".. all that time i was watching it, i was hoping my daughter and son-in-law was looking at it, too.

i wanted to call them and tell them about it, but i am not allowed to "talk about anything that has a religious agenda" for fear of losing them.. did anyone else see it?.

hubert

When I started looking at the show, I didn't have any idea to "compare" it to j.w.'s. It wasn't even on my mind. However, after a while, I saw that this scenario doesn't seem to fit well with the j.w. doctrine, in my opinion.

By the way, I never was a j.w., but just from researching it, I can't help but connect this show with them.

Hubert

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Anyone here from the new england area

by Whoisemmanuelgoldstein in

hubert

Welcome to the forum.

Why not tell us a little about yourself?

Where about are you from?

Hubert

edited to add, "Coffee Black" tried to post a reply on your first thread, and couldn't so instead sent you a "p.m." To view her p.m., look at the top right of this page, there is an envelope. Click on that, and you should see her "personal message".

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Shunning is a Great Anti-Witness

by outofservice in

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i spent an hour and a half last night on the phone with my mothers boss.she has worked for him for years and i have known him since i was a teenager.

he called because he could not believe she was not coming out here to see her oldest grandson graduate from high school.

he said i offered her a plane ticket and everything i could think of to get her to come and she refused.

hubert

Every year, I like to bring this letter up for the newbies. It's called...."An open letter to Jehovah Witnesses", by Gail Noble of Arizona.

Here it is....

You may not remember, but I know you very well. I met you a long time ago when you came to my house with your smiling faces, your neat clothes, and your soft voices, and a Bible tucked neatly under your arm. You told me many beautiful stories of a "paradise earth," and a "righteous new system" which would be established shortly. You beguiled me; I listened and I let you teach me your form of Christ-dignity.

I loved you, I devoted most of my life to you, I was loyal and obedient, never realizing that one day I would come to disagree with everything you had to say. When I first met you and learned of the "paradise," little did I know that in order to get to that paradise, I would have to walk over the dead bodies of beloved family, cherished friends, and casual acquaintances, because they didn't want to be Jehovah's Witnesses. With your soft, sweet voices, and gentle manner, you convinced me that everything and everyone who did not agree with you was "evil." I came to believe that other churches were bad and of the devil, and so were their members. I became convinced that all the governments were wicked, including my own, and that I was not to support the country in which I lived. I believed you, I loved you, trusted you, and served you and never suspected that you were capable of deceiving me.

I loved you so much that I raised my precious children as Jehovah's Witnesses. I taught them that you were trustworthy, and true followers of God and Jesus. I trained them to believe your every word. How could I have known that in the future you would steal my own flesh and blood from my arms and prevent them from seeing me because I would come to disagree with you? I never noticed the fangs of oppression and tyranny that lurked behind those gentle smiles. I never knew that I would be expected to hand over my mind, soul, and spirit to you, and if I were to ever want them back, you would hold my children as hostages and no amount of begging and tears would release them from your grip because they had been raised to look at you as being God, rather than mere men.

When I came to you, I was young and pretty and impressionable, looking for a relationship with God, my Creator. But through slick words and empty speeches you convinced me that I was not really a child of God, that my duty was to the organization-that THEY would tell me what to do and how to think. Through years of domination and manipulation I began to accept the meager food that was being offered to me, and became willing to accept it as the true "spiritual" food from the Master, while all the time feeling the gnawing at my body. Finally, I discovered that I had been robbed of my joy, my love, my compassion, and my mercy, and it was replaced with legalistic doctrinal formula which provided me with fear, guilt, and anxiety to fill my hungry heart. When I said, "I want more than this," you slapped me with your soft little hand, which had now turned into an iron fist of oppression. Yes, you fooled me all along, your deception was because you had been fooled too, a long time ago, by others who had taken you captive to their dictatorial reign of terror. You convinced me that the words of men were the words of God because you really thought it was true. I believed you because you were gently, soft spoken, and carried the Bible tucked under your arm.

You told me that you had "freedom" and it was only later, when I tried to escape your brand of "freedom" that I discovered that the iron bars of the gate had been shut and I was at your mercy because, by this time, you had already gained control of my mind and my emotions. I cried and begged you to please let me go, and you said, with your firm, roaring voice, "not until I have stripped you naked" and you did. You stripped me of my dignity, my self-respect, my honor, and my FAMILY! You told all my family and friends that I was demonic, evil, an apostate, a spiritual fornicator, and good for nothing but total destruction by your angry God whom you had tried to pass off as a God of "love." They believed you, and they still believe you, because their eyes are blinded by the promise of "paradise" and they cannot "see" the Hell that surrounds them. The ever illusive "paradise" is held out to the gullible like a carrot in front of the nose of a rabbit, and causes them to sacrifice their family, friends, careers, education, hopes and dreams on the altar of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

Now I'm older, now I'm wiser, but now it is too late- life is fast slipping away. Through my tears, I cry out for my beautiful daughter and grandchildren, but you grip them tighter and tighter and tell them that YOU will be their "mother." And so you are, and so you are! I begged to recapture my honor and my dignity, but you laughed with your bright, shining teeth, and said, "No way, you're on your own." Somehow those soft, pretty words weren't soft and pretty anymore, but words of slander, abuse, hatred, and hostility- and you said them in such a way that others would think that you were righteous and I was evil. You lied about me, but no one will believe you LIED because they trust you-that's because you are soft spoken, gentle, and carry a Bible tucked neatly under your arm.

Gaila Noble

ARIZONA

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Did anyone see "Earth without people"?

by hubert in

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it was on the history channel tuesday night.. if you kept in mind the j.w.

theory of a "paradise earth", you'd see it would be absolutely impossible for 6 or 7 , even 20 million people to "maintain" the earth to keep it in liveable condition, never mind a "paradise earth".. all that time i was watching it, i was hoping my daughter and son-in-law was looking at it, too.

i wanted to call them and tell them about it, but i am not allowed to "talk about anything that has a religious agenda" for fear of losing them.. did anyone else see it?.

hubert

Billy, thanks for correcting me. I had the title wrong, but I think people caught the jist of my topic. I tried to find the correct title but didn't find it, so I guessed at it. (Wrong guess).

But, that's the show I saw last night.

Hubert

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Did anyone see "Earth without people"?

by hubert in

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friends

it was on the history channel tuesday night.. if you kept in mind the j.w.

theory of a "paradise earth", you'd see it would be absolutely impossible for 6 or 7 , even 20 million people to "maintain" the earth to keep it in liveable condition, never mind a "paradise earth".. all that time i was watching it, i was hoping my daughter and son-in-law was looking at it, too.

i wanted to call them and tell them about it, but i am not allowed to "talk about anything that has a religious agenda" for fear of losing them.. did anyone else see it?.

hubert

It was on the History channel Tuesday night.

If you kept in mind the J.W. theory of a "Paradise Earth", you'd see it would be absolutely impossible for 6 or 7 , even 20 million people to "Maintain" the earth to keep it in liveable condition, never mind a "Paradise Earth".

All that time I was watching it, I was hoping my daughter and son-in-law was looking at it, too. I wanted to call them and tell them about it, but I am not allowed to "talk about anything that has a religious agenda" for fear of losing them.

Did anyone else see it?

Hubert

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Need advice, they are trying to suck me in!

by Searchinggal in

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friends

i am hoping you can help me.

i have a very dear friend of over 20 years, who was brought up jw.

our children are friends and we have vacationed and been like sisters all these years.

hubert

Blacksheep, your video is superb ! I loved it.

Hubert

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Chevron Food Mart

by asilentone in

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i just won $5 chevron gift card recently.

i have never went to chevron food mart before, what kind of foods do they have?

do they have sandwiches, etc....?

hubert

Asilentone said......"Do they have sandwiches"?

I hear the road kill deluxe is very good.

Hubert

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i apologize to lady lee and others here........really...

by oompa in

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sometimes my humor is a bit much........too much....especially on sex topics...... when some post in adult topics many are serious.......and i have a tendency to go funny...or try to......i will show more restraint in the future and so should you all.........love you guys.........oomps.

hubert

A lot of people do that, Ooomps, including me.

It's just our nature, with an added few beers.

Hubert

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Left Some JW Child Abuse News Releases on Windshields at Kingdom Halls

by flipper in

well- this sad news of the girl being murdered and raped in tracy , california motivated me today to leave ap news releases of the wt child abuse out of court settlements of 16 jw victims in car windshields today of jw's who had gone out in field service.

for what it's worth i went to 3 different kingdom halls in 2 towns.

left about 8 on different cars at one kingdom hall, and 5 at another and 7 at another.. you just never know what may happen.

hubert

Awakened at Gilead said....."Got links"?

Do a search on this site, and you'll find a thread on it, 9 pages long. There are many links to newspaper articles in it, but some are not available because this happened in 2007.

I am pretty sure "Freeminds" and "Silent Lambs" will have links to them.

You can search the member list for "Danny Haszard" and you can get it that way, also. As I already said, it will be in 2007.

I can't put links into the jwn site.

Hubert

Better yet, do a search on this site. Type in....."child abuse settlement" in the search box, and go to page 2.